The Most Profound Moment in Gaming: MGS2 AI Conversation Analysis Part 1 of 2

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHzwCOPy0nY

This is my brief analysis of what most people would agree is the most profound moment in gaming: the final conversation that Raiden has with the Patriot AI at the end of Metal Gear Solid 2. It really speaks volumes to a number of topics in Philosophy, Psychology, Sociology, Ethics, and Science. But perhaps most importantly is that it presents one of the best arguments for control of the human race by AI, something most science fiction stories never even attempt to do.

If you'd like to just view the AI Conversation itself you can find it here:
(Part 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_W4EV-ikJY
(Part 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS9sWYop2UE&feature=related

If you're interested in buying Metal Gear games I recommend this Amazon list:
http://www.amazon.com/lm/RU8MJ4Y6S0PA8/ref=cm_pdp_lm_title_1

Re-Uploaded version with slightly better voice track and minor editing changes. All game footage is used for commentary purposes.

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[das81]

Anybody know where I can find the music when jfk speaks to Raiden in this scene in question :D

[LogosSteve]

@das81 I'd love to have it myself, as far as I know it was never officially released but someone could dissect the computer game and find it I'm sure.

[AlllexL]

No one is right.

Everyone is wrong.

Nothing is true.

Everything is permitted.

Plato's cave.

E=mc2.

La-li-lu-le-lo.

Flying banana flavoured testicles.

[UnivingIshiro]

So the creator of MGS is trying to say that the evolution of humanity depends on the information passed to the next generation,but since the information that passes is crap(games,gossips) the next generation is affected since there's no useful information and that will be human's doom.Really deep for a game,now I wanna make useful info for future generations...I wish there were more games like this,that they actually make you think about your life and not just the console!

[LogosSteve]

@LogosSteve By any measure MGS2 IS vastly more philosophical, has a much more sophisticated story, and is much more important to advancing gaming storytelling and storytelling in general. However I do agree that in terms of telling a story that is more palatable to most people MGS1 certainly wins out because it sticks to things easier to talk about like nuclear weapons, its story is more straightforward and its characters are generally more appealing.

[LogosSteve]

@onlychild86 I completely understand your sentiment, believe me. MGS1 was a bigger overall breakthrough for both gameplay and storytelling in gaming in terms of conventions, especially it being the first 3D metal gear game. I'm just saying that even considering that, MGS2 is far more important in terms of advancing the use of narrative in video games and in dealing with more profound subject matter in more interesting and involving ways e.g. this AI conversation, so it wins out.

[onlychild86]

@LogosSteve How about the entirety of MGS1, as one singularly epic achievement for games in both gameplay and storytelling? The difference, at least to me, between MGS1 and MGS2 is not that one game was vastly more philosophical or more sophisticated, but that the first game took greater concern with its storytelling, crafting a tale that was both involving and made sense within its own parameters. In the end, its characters were more important than anything about AIs and Solid Snake Simulations

[virtualsnake1994]

as i grow up im more interested in these kind of things... its natural... metal gear solid 2 came out in 2001 for the ps2 and was considered the first post-modern game... deeeep shit hideo xD

[j5o14jq222]

yep i listened hard too every fmv in mgs1 man this game tripped me out

[northfromheree]

@frenzy282 Because the whole point of the video is that people shouldn't spend time watching stuff on youtube. Oh well...