Marvin Hagler vs Roberto Duran: verdict

"Marvelous" faces "Manos de piedra"

1983-11-10. Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States

WBC middleweight title
WBA middleweight title
IBF middleweight title

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• Hagler
• Roberto
• Duran
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[TrumanOThirsty]

@Trumpetz811 Joe Louis lost his 1st bout with Max Schmeling by KO. At time of bout, Louis was young, had a record of 23-0, & was #1 hvywgt. contender. Almost no one gave Schmeling. a chance at age 30. Max KO'ed Louis in the 12th round in 1st fight. Louis was in his prime and was KOed!. Louis did not take Max seriously. It is not unusual for great fighters to be KOed. Louis avenged the loss by rd 1 KO 2 yrs later. Sugar Ray Robinson was never KOed but is exception, not the rule, so to speak.

[TrumanOThirsty]

@iljn1988 Great post! Duran - RD was deservedly named "Fighter of the Decade for the 70s). You grasp the significance of RD's 70 -1 record going into his 1st bout with Leonard - SRL. RD gave SRL his only loss while SRL was in his prime in their 1st bout. Duran was already an all time great before SRL1. Then, to come back after the ruinous quit in RD - SRL2 was incredible. SRL was "Fighter of the Decade for the 80s) & deserved it. Both great but RD was better & authoritative sources agree.

[TrumanOThirsty]

@TA152H01 Even a third grader knows that repeating the same statements do not make them true. You seem to always want to have the last word because that is the type of intimidating peson you perceive yourself as being. I see numerous mistakes in your blogs about RD - SRL 1. Hold on to the false belief that you are right and the overwhelming majority of viewers and experts are wrong. Your claim that I am dumb is very funny.You are insulting but unintentionally hilarious! Thanks for the laughs.

[TrumanOThirsty]

@TA152H01 I speak poorly? That is a bogus claim! You do not understand argumentation; logical fallacies ( you place many in your posts) & do not stay focused on the topic at issue: RD -SRL bout1. You advert irrelevant bouts, insult instead of making a case for your claims & worst of all: think your opinion is better than the vast majority of boxing analysts, writers and other professionals in boxing. You cannot argue cogently, so you use insults as a ploy. You demean yourself, not me.

[TA152H01]

@TrumanOThirsty You love Duran, and you're talking horsecrap. Let's be real, you speak so poorly for yourself, stop speaking for me.  You're not smart enough. Duran won early rounds, and Leonard did beat him down so he was exhausted in the late rounds. I never said he destroyed him in the fight.

This fight was fought under the 10 point must system. Period. I'm done reading your posts, they are really dumb, uninformed, and boring as Hell.

Go bother someone else.

[TrumanOThirsty]

@TrumanOThirsty If you read my 1st blog on 10 pt. must system, I said "this about covers 10 pt must ..., but not entirely. It is implicit that if winner of rd is penalized, then both boxers get 9 pts each. You said SRL hit Duran w/many more clean & hard shots which took away RD's stamina, power & speed in last 3 rounds, which is destruction.. In the 15th rd Duran had plenty of energy & made SRL miss most of his punches on purpose. Not smart but RD showed his defensive skills, speed & stamina.

[TrumanOThirsty]

@TA152H01 If you are such an astute history of boxing, you would know that in the 50s - mid 80's, the 10 point must system varied from state to state, as this rule evolved and changed. At first, most state sanctioning orgs for fights did not allow for even rounds and each rd had to have a winner & loser. As fight rules evolved, even rounds were allowed and each boxer got 10 pts. for even rds. However, this took more than 2 decades to fully evolve. More in follow up post.

[TA152H01]

@TrumanOThirsty Actually, you don't know boxing enough to interest me. 10 point must means the winner gets 10 points, and the other 10 or less. 10 point must system does allow for 10 point rounds. But even then, not all rounds get 10 points. If a guy gets a foul, it can be 9 to 9. I'm done educating you.

I never said he destroyed him the first fight, I scored it 9-6 I think. The second fight he destroyed him. Keep it straight.

[TrumanOThirsty]

@TA152H01 You were wrong about the 10 point must scoring system. Are you going to admit it? Your claim that SRL destroyed Duran in their 1st fight and another claim by you that it was a "close fight" are mutually exclusive and cannot be reconciled. In other words, you were wrong again. Your contention of a SRL victory in his 1st bout with Duran is not a defensible view - it is a false belief that seems to be based on your intense dislike of Duran.

[TrumanOThirsty]

@TA152H01 A 10 point must scoring system gives the winner of each rd 10 pts - the loser gets 9 pts or fewer; if loser of rd is knocked down, loses rd badly or ref penalizes him. This about covers a 10 pt. must system, but not entirely. Check official score cards; all judges scored some rounds even. You repeat the same diversions and unsubstantiated claims about SRL winning this bout despite overwhelming disagreement. Your position is that you are right and the world is wrong. No way!