Calvinism proven false (1 Corinthians 8:11)

Limited atonement is a lie

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[Aaron637]

The issue is over the word propitiation. Which is substiutionary atonement - ie Christ taking the punishment for our sins. Now if He has actually has done that, and taken a mans sin upon him, then a person can't go to hell, otherwise there is an instance of double jeopardy. So it either means universalism is true, or christ died for the elect. Universalism is clearly disproven by the fact that there will be people in hell.

[jkbugout]

@Aaron637 Hello, brother. Forgive my cold tone in this video. I later remark on it in my video about "Christian in a dry season." As to your points: The word "propitiation" means "the means of appeasing." He was offered to turn away God's wrath (i.e., the Passover lamb. 1 Cor. 5:7). It was not a situation where he took our punishment, because, as you know, the sinner's punishment is far worse/more enduring than the cross. He is the "propitiation for the sins of the whole world" (1 John 2:2)

[Aaron637]

@jkbugout Good response. But it amounts to the same thing anyway. Christ died for those who would believe on Him (the elect)...not the world, for if it was for the world gods wrath against the world would be appeased. That was my point. Push it to the limit and you get universalism. I say elect because faith itself arises from a new heart....which is given by God. Its all inter related. God doesnt give all new hearts or all would believe, he gives those he graciously chose a desire for him.

[jkbugout]

@Aaron637 I do not believe it amounts to the same thing. I intend to make a video on the cross. It may be tomorrow (God willing). Since you are of a different viewpoint, your cross-examination would be welcome. A question for you to ponder in the meantime, my brother.... Paul talks about two groups in Romans 11:7, (1) the elect (2) others who were blinded by God. Yet, he goes on to show that the ones blinded can be saved too (Romans 11:11-24). How can they be saved if they are not the elect?

[Bill244888]

from Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary

ἀπόλλυμι—appolymi

from (apo) and the base of (olethros); to destroy fully (reflexive to perish, or lose), literal or figurative :- destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.

It is used as literal or figurative.

Talk about looking through a haystack for a needle.

Are you really going to base your theology on this passage? So, every time you sin, and don't tell us you don't, you lose your salvation?

What did Christ's sacrifice accomplish?

[Bill244888]

"That is ridiculous because . . . (human reason, human understanding, human logic)"

[ChiefLaughingChicken]

Why do you desire to rob God of the glory which is due to Him alone and take some for yourself, when it is clear from God's mouth that God alone is Savior, and there is none besides?

[skalapunk]

@jkbugout I agree with Aaron637 here. The verse does not read that Christ was the potential propitiation, but rather, he actually, succesfully propitiated. The question is, how do you define the phrase "not only us, but the whole world"? It is pure assertion to insist that this means "Every individual", when another feasible interpretation is "not only Jews, but Gentiles too". After all, this was the point both paul and the gospels try to make continually throughout the NT (cont)

[themtjification]

Read Freedom of the Will by Jonathon Edwards and your questions will be answered.