22. With Will Federer - Moderate Muslims

Guest author Will Federer helps us understand the two houses of Islam, and how that relates to moderate and radical muslims.

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[shahroor18]

the deffrence is obviouse and somewhat expected

relegin is an powerfull tool to ensure political status

the deffrence that am pointing out is that prophits didnt really seek power

regardles of weither they were from god or not

even if they weren't i cant help but notice that their followers did what prophets didnt do

and it's really very easy to say that they said somthing that goes well with ones alterior motives

[NaturalMiracleMan]

@shahroor18

Your assertion regarding prophets and power is baseless.

Jesus didn't kill many people, but his followers sure have.

You aren't giving me any real differences between the two.

[NaturalMiracleMan]

@shahroor18

And you don't think that the authors of the Old Testament had politics in mind? I know that belief systems evolve over time, and both Christianity and Islam have certainly changed over time.

Plus, the books of the Bible were changed, such as the Pentateuch. Also, the Christians added extra books on to the Hebrew Scriptures, claiming them to be just as important. And the Christians have used the Bible as a political tool for centuries.

cont.

[shahroor18]

@shahroor18

prophets usually do not have any interest in power

it just happens for them

Mohammad was in madenah for 10 years he could've invaded

the whole area at that time especially since it was done after him in about 10 years

the casualty of all the wars that Mohammad did combined was little over 200, that's it

wars after him took a different approach, it was about eliminating the other side

about 36 years after his death resulted in the death of 30000 both sides muslims

[shahroor18]

@NaturalMiracleMan

the answer to the last question is , politics?

now since your not relegious you know that relegions evolve over time

that means the relegion changes and doesnt just depend on that one author

for christians they have pastors and preists who claim a connection with god

here in islam we have a more clever way

there is the quraan they cant change it so simply thiel add extra books

and claim that they are just as important

and use it for politics

cont>>>

[NaturalMiracleMan]

Also, when the Christians were burning witches to death and killing blasphemers, the Old Testament code of law (a code of laws that their god himself gave to humanity) backed them up completely.

I watched the video you suggested, and I read your blog. Neither of them were convincing in the slightest. However, I think I'll move my response to the idea they both present to your blog instead of posting post after post about them here.

[NaturalMiracleMan]

You write, "If it where the same we would have the same writings, beliefs and traditions."

If that is true, then Christians and Jews do not have the same god, since their sets of holy texts, beliefs, and traditions are so far apart. Obviously, what you said isn't true, for Paul, himself, acknowledges that the Jews believe in the same god despite these differences in view. The same is true of Muslims who accept the Hebrew and Christian scriptures as true.

cont.

[NaturalMiracleMan]

@shahroor18

Plus, those authors who wrote the Bible claim that their god commanded slavery, genocide, and burning people alive within the texts. So how can we judge more recent human holy men who claim that their gods have told them to do these things as wrong from your perspective?

[NaturalMiracleMan]

@shahroor18

The invisible and the non-existent look very similar, which is the problem when it comes to theistic belief systems like Christianity and Islam. I hope you realize that the "holy" books of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam were all written by men who claimed divine authority. What sets these authors apart from the popes, bishops, priests, pastors, imams, and rabbis who tell us to hate and kill infidels, blow people up, hat homosexuals, etc?

cont.

[craftedashes]

@NaturalMiracleMan

Check out oneminuteapologist's video #102.

You may also look at craftedashes dot blogspot dot com., look at the post for Jan. 2, "Where will you be at 12:05 PM ?"

Thank you for your responses and questions. Look forward to talking with you more.