When Seconds Count: Stopping Active Shooters

Cincinnati WCPO Channel 9 News talks to SWAT officers about the changes in the way law enforcement officers are taught to respond to school shootings and the changes in the way experts look at gun free zones.

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[etucker5007]

I was in a building next door to Norris hall at Virginia Tech. I remember thinking "I wish I had a gun" I didn't hear any shots or see any bodies, that day but it could have just as easily been me.

...I have a carry permit now

[shaolinwarrior87]

college students like myself with CHL should be allowed to carry on campus, especially since i was prior active in the military, people like me can respond faster than law enforcement

[bigshukas]

random comment. but for those of you who dont own a firearm never thought you would. go buy one. learn to shoot it. 2nd amendment. hope that you never have to use it. but in the event you do........ you should get the picture.

[OhioGuy19]

@OhioGuy19 The third was Charles Whitman's shooting where armed citizens used their rifles to keep him suppressed and to keep him from being able to effectively take shots at citizens. They kept him occupied while several police moved into position and then assaulted the clock tower.

There are a few more big ones but I cannot readily recall them right now.

The media tends not to give them much, if any, attention.

[OhioGuy19]

@ajlepisto Well at least a half-dozen mass shootings have been lessened/mitigated or stopped by armed citizens. The three that immediately come to mind are the shooting at the high school in Mississippi where the principal retrieved his 45 ACP from his car and held the shooter at gunpoint before he could leave and head to the junior high. The second would be a college in West Virginia where students retrieved guns from cars and held the shooter at gunpoint.

[grantsdaman01]

I really like how the description talks about how experts are changing the way they look at gun free zones. Does that imply that they were high as fuck when they initially got the idea to create them? Either they were cocaine snorting experts or they weren't actually experts to begin with.

[ajlepisto]

@OhioGuy19 Yes, the statistics don't lie, but my point was that the fear that everyone will have guns and a bad day are over-hyped by people who don't know the reality.

My point was, he's got such a small chance of being face to face with a concealed carry owner and knowing the person is carrying, that it will have no impact on his life.

[OhioGuy19]

@AmyLeesPetWookiee Progressives/socialists/commun­ists/democrats actually WANT these shootings to occur so they can use the tragedies as ammunition (no pun intended) in their argument for total gun bans. Once we are disarmed they can usher in open/overt marxism-leninism and herd dissidents into gulags or just shoot them in the woods NKVD style.

[OhioGuy19]

@OhioGuy19 Of course you are required to know your state laws, NEVER carry in a place where it is prohibited by statute! Such places would be police stations, jails, federal government buildings, typically state/county government buildings, court-houses, typically hospitals, schools, colleges, etc. It doesn't matter if the sign is clearly posted, those are prohibited by statute. As for malls/etc, if they want you disarmed they need to CLEARLY POST it.

[OhioGuy19]

@OhioGuy19 My limit remark about people "casually failing" to notice no-gun signs has to do with the fact that many "gun buster" signs or "gun free" signs do not conform to the requirements of state law, they are too small, they are 50-100 feet inside the building instead of on the door, they are at ankle/knee level instead of eye level, etc. Typically in cases where a sign does not conform to state law, it can be ignored. If you have to hunt to find the sign it really doesn't count.

[OhioGuy19]

@OhioGuy19 So if somebody opens fire in a shopping mall with 600 shoppers, unless the mall is a "gun-free" zone, and assuming no pistol permit people casually "failed" to notice the no-gun sign, the shooter should potentially be faced with upwards of 24 armed citizens, going by the Ohio rate of about 4% of the adult population having concealed carry permits.

[OhioGuy19]

@ajlepisto Florida has issued almost 2.1 million permits since 1987 and as of 2011 had approximately 850,000 active permits. Ohio has somewhere around 300,000 active permits, in a state with 11 million people (probably 7.5 million are adults), so out of 7.5 million adults, 300,000 have permits to carry weapons. So on a daily basis, in Ohio, about 4% of the people you see in public are likely armed with a pistol, not insignificant by any measure.