What does the "real presence" mean?

Pastor Lassman's Lesson 11 - The Lord's Supper
http://www.messiahseattle.org/education/aic/videos/lesson_11/
Videos from the Adult Information Class on basic christian teachings at Messiah Lutheran Church in Seattle, Washington.

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[nschaub]

HI...you are right except Lutherans have not taught "consubstantiation" ..that label was put on Lutherans by the Reformed Church (Protestants)...Pastor Lassman

[catchzz]

BUT the Lutheran Church is a part of the Reformed Church hence Luther initiating the Protestant Reformation. We could play around with terms here all we want.

[nschaub]

Good question..I do it for educational purposes..technically Protestants are divided into two groups: Reformed and Lutheran and there are signifcant differences between them..but hardly anyone understands the term "reformed" so I subsitute "protestant" as a teaching device..Pastor Lassman

[xipe02]

I am a member of a SSPX church, and they don't give the communion in the hand, but in the tongue, and it is only given by the Padre. BTW, excellent videos stevesilvia!!

Keep'em coming! :)

[nschaub]

Hi..don't know if I ever got back to you..but thanks for your comments. We use to receive the Body with the tongue too ..but around 30 years ago we started using the hand...not quite sure how that change came about...Pastor Lassman

[xipe02]

Pastor Lassman, Vatican II made substantial changes to the liturgy and 6 protestant pastors participated and suggested changes to make the mass more man centered, instead of God centered. The host had to be taken kneeling and in the tongue. Now is taken in the hand, casually, and gobbled down with wine, given by lay ministers sometimes with big cleavage and miniskirts. I really don't think is right. Pax et bonum.

[nschaub]

Hi..Yes Vatican was a mixed bag..some good, some bad. Sigh. Thanks for your comments and I wish you God's blessings as we have entered Holy Week...Pastor Lassman

[SanJuana1985]

Don´t sweat it ; the Rev. Schaub is a Lutheran, with just one of the 40000 protestant interpretations of the Catholic Bible,

minus 7 inconvenient books. I like his sermons, though.

[joel6575]

Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the catholic Church. Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8, Saint Ignatius of Antioch around AD 110

[karpov89]

@nschaub Maybe English lack a good word...in Swedish you can say that the Evangelical-Lutheran church is a "reformerad kyrka (church)" but a church which were influenced by Calvin & Co is a "reformert kyrka". I think the word protestant is always wrong to describe Lutherans as Luther did not call himself Protestant and we do not have anything to protest against, at least not now..

[j0nb0y5]

who cares! people really think there's only one church out of all the churches in the word that is right? the only right church is the one God call's you to. how sad do you think Jesus is that we cant just just love each other? people need to get off there high horse and humble before there God Jesus christ. p.s. converted catholic 2010.

[karpov89]

If Lutherans, from the Catholic perspective, were only schismatic then the ordination would not be invalid. But it is according to the Catholic church, that does certainly not make Pastor Lassman's church a sect.

[Adeelfos]

Can you please explain me, how come confessional lutheran is not lutheran?

The Book of Concord clearly says: "We believe, teach and confess..."

[nulle46]

As a member of a schismatic and protest-ant sect, this mans ordination is invalid. It always makes me laugh to hear a Christian layman such as this man say "Rome should have never tried."

[karpov89]

You are right; the bishops are essential

[catchzz]

Dont you feel this presents itself a problem when believers of Calvin who descended into what is eventually Calvinism & Presbyterians after Luther feel that they are not protestants because they have reformed the church into its true being? Where do you draw the line. Each has the burden of proof on the one they decended from so Lutheranism has the burden of proof from Catholicism as it held its beliefs first. Therefore Lutherans fall into a protestant category as Luther protested Catholics.