Richard Dawkins - Religion vs Morality

Richard Dawkins - Religion vs Morality

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[petestrat07]

@saved03 I not going to debate with you. Im tired of trying to talk sense into creationists and thet discuss this topic ad nausuem. We decide what is moral, not some imaginary master and hide and seek. The bible is filled with violence, murder, slavery, homophobia, pedophilia, a jealous angry and intollenant God and tje ten commandment are mainly a pathetic, self indulgent joke focused more on the feeling of an insecure God. If you want to belive that garbage go for it.

[petestrat07]

@saved03 I don't need to run and I don't need a savior. I'm not wasting my time debating with you. Go away and get educated.

[235saphire]

I think Richard Dawkins is very reasonable here but I don't have any degrees and am just a state school drop-out who fell behind with basics early on, so who am I to say,.

[Confessor62]

@toronto444444 Again, you havent shown me where my argument is flawed. Just stated its crap. You obviously have very little logical ability. First lesson of logic. If you are going to bad mouth something, you need to give a reason. Science cannot operate properly because of a philosophical problems. But you still need to attack the argument by showing me 1) what area is outdated, 2) Why it is outdated. Hope you have a good day at school :)

[toronto444444]

@Confessor62 Wow. BA in Phi. So you sucked at math and science? BA's in philosophy are not worth the paper they're printed on. Steve Job's never graduated college. Many people with degrees can't think their way through a simple proposition.

You seem to fit the bill. Starting any discussion with the assumption that there is a flying spaghetti monster is childish and lame and plain stupid. You should just start your career at the gap or mc d's now and save your money. BA...haha

[Confessor62]

@Confessor62 ...learn the ethical theories and think critically. Science cannot give morality any more than the Nihilist can. I'm not saying you should believe in God, but more so you should free yourself of the chains of morality and become a Nihilist. If you could please outline where my argument has gone wrong, rather than not having anything to respond with thus dismissing it. That's my challenge to you

[Confessor62]

@toronto444444 Haha. I am doing a Bachelor of Arts in Philosophy. I saw a quick video on Sam Harris talking about his book, and while he might have a few interesting ideas, (i think I can predict his argument from the clip) but it will not give morality. (For reasons outlined above). From the way you are arguing though it would appear you have never seen the inside of a Philosophy class. I would expect that level of argument from someone at High School. Go away and study ethics...

[toronto444444]

@Confessor62 Did you fail philosophy 101? Or worse, pass? You're overthinking it. Read Sam Harris 'The Moral Lanscape'. Rational thinkers have moved beyond what you're rambling on about. And I'm not having any discussion based an assumption that there is an invisible superman skygod. That's just stupid.

[Confessor62]

@Confessor62 Right. Sorry to go on a bit but ethics isn't a 500 word comment. I'm looking forward to your reply. Try reading a bit of about Nietzsche. He is a good case study. (Chuck Friedrich Nietzsche into wiki and you'll get his page)

[Confessor62]

@Confessor62 "anyone with a balanced conscience..." can they really? What is a "balanced" conscience. I would argue this is a very subjective term. As I can claim to have a very "balanced conscience". I could say you have an imbalanced conscience. What about people who say they don't have a conscience? Why don't they have one? How do you know you are "supposed" to have a conscience and what does that even mean? I have a very good conscience as a Nihilist...

[Confessor62]

@Confessor62 ... the opposite could happen. Me and 10 of my Nihilist friends have a town going and a rule we have is that all the men must rape someone on the full moon. A person comes along he doesn't want to do it, but we force him to do it. This is the same situation as the one above. Rules from society aren't morals, its more of a "who has the bigger stick" game. Now for some rebuttal to your last post a way up the page....

[Confessor62]

@Confessor62 ...is just as justified as someone like me who has no problem with murder. "Murder is not wrong, people just don't like it for their own selfish reasons".

You said above society can make morality. So there is a town of 10 people, and I come along , and a rule they have is that there is no stealing. I'm then caught stealing and hung. This isn't an example of a moral system, this is an example of me(the Nihilist) getting someone elses will forced upon me.....