@zmode82 not true. yes they used to sell indulgences but that was a wrong act of the church to do and was condemned by the dogmatic council of trent. and we in the catholic church do not believe in earning our way to heaven, by christ alone, we are saved. but by faith and works Christ is working in us and making us right before the Almighty Father in heaven.
You know, the Pharisees were using the temple of the MostHigh to sell livestock to the people, so that they can sacrifice to atone for their sins against God and seek salvation in Jerusalem. The Papacy was charging the people to pay for indulgences to atone for thier loved ones in Purgatory, and they still demand that you sacrifice today to earn your way to Heaven. Hmm! I just dont know who is more corrupt between the popes and the pharisees, God Himself is the judge of that. Who are we?
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."
voorman1, ignatious was talking about gnostics who denied that Christ has come in the flesh. The gnostics only believed that Christ came in the spirt. He meant eucharist as only a metaphor, becaue no where in the context did Ignatious say anything about bread and whine.
@zmode82 not true. yes they used to sell indulgences but that was a wrong act of the church to do and was condemned by the dogmatic council of trent. and we in the catholic church do not believe in earning our way to heaven, by christ alone, we are saved. but by faith and works Christ is working in us and making us right before the Almighty Father in heaven.
HomeSkillet489 4 months ago
You know, the Pharisees were using the temple of the MostHigh to sell livestock to the people, so that they can sacrifice to atone for their sins against God and seek salvation in Jerusalem. The Papacy was charging the people to pay for indulgences to atone for thier loved ones in Purgatory, and they still demand that you sacrifice today to earn your way to Heaven. Hmm! I just dont know who is more corrupt between the popes and the pharisees, God Himself is the judge of that. Who are we?
zmode82 2 years ago
Funny :)
daafith 2 years ago
You're right you can't help me.
You need the OT to understand the NT.
voorman1 2 years ago
More detail?
The 27 books of the New Testament, if you need more detail than these I'm afraid I can't help you.
FirebrandNIRE 2 years ago
OK, whatever you want to believe.
Thank you.
voorman1 2 years ago 2
Heres Clement of Rome teaching sola fide.
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."
epistle to the corinthians chapter 32
CASSMAN777 2 years ago
voorman1, ignatious was talking about gnostics who denied that Christ has come in the flesh. The gnostics only believed that Christ came in the spirt. He meant eucharist as only a metaphor, becaue no where in the context did Ignatious say anything about bread and whine.
CASSMAN777 2 years ago
Absolutely.
Just waiting for you to provide more detail.
voorman1 2 years ago
Jesus Christ for one.
You still all ears?
FirebrandNIRE 2 years ago