Pregnant? Abortion? "Let Me Live" by Gordon Birchard

Our four girls sharing a powerful message in song...pay close attention.

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[Seymour13]

"That's fine...we lead people to Christ...we don't force people. Our children do it willingly"

Willingly?

Oh right, being raised (read: indoctrinated) by christian parents to believe christianity is the truth makes it THEIR choice... NOT!

There are no religious children, just children of religious parents that take what their parents tell them on authority as they are not yet able to defend against the bullshit which they are fed (due to a lack of knowledge/understanding).

[theist77]

@Seymour13 Hmmm...do you have children? Do/will you impose your morality on them or do you just let loose. Please stop the hypocrisy.

[OmgFactoryStudio]

I really feel sick watching these young kids being used by YOU to promote your religious ideas, I am not buying it...

[theist77]

@OmgFactoryStudio That's fine...we lead people to Christ...we don't force people. Our children do it willingly.

[Seymour13]

@OmgFactoryStudio

"I really feel sick watching these young kids being used by YOU to promote your religious ideas"

Same here, this shit really gets my blood boiling...

But this ain't nothing yet, it's safe to assume that this sicko also teaches them other apsects of his religion such as that we're all wretched sinful creatures that need to beg for forgiveness both for being how we were made (imperfect) and for the crimes of some non-existent ancestor; talk about child abuse, huh...

[theist77]

@Seymour13 You have no moral ground to stand on in an atheist world view...other than your subjective opinions based upon your genes and your past experience. In your view, free will is an illusion and responsibility is non-existent.

[Seymour13]

@thugz4sale

(resuming this on the other page as this topic would be off-topic here)

[thugz4sale]

@Seymour13 He is the one that showed me to love instead of hate, and to cherish life. He gives you your hearts will, if you don't love what is good He respects you and loves you enough to let you choose, but in that, you don't choose God and you are in danger of being separated by the source of love and all things good...You're left with everything else.

[thugz4sale]

@Seymour13 To deny we sin, is denying who we are. Once you realize that, the blind fold will be taken off. And God is just and at the same time showed the greatest love conceivable to all man kind. And His will is not any should perish, It's our sin inside of us all that separate us. But He made a way, and yes Faith in Him is opening the door. He knocks on everyone's door, everyone has a conscious they should listen to for good reason.

[Seymour13]

@thugz4sale

No offense btw, but you have previously said we're all sinful creatures that deserve eternal torture (this includes many of the greatest and kindest people to ever live, because they lacked faith), so EXCUSE ME for saying things that can be concieved as 'mildly offensive' if taken personally rather than as a blunt assessment of the person I'm addressing (they aren't even in the same league).

I'm not aiming to offend, but because of that I don't care if you are offended either tbh.

[thugz4sale]

@Seymour13 If they want the child or not, the baby is there... And I think there are so many better options than murder "adoption". I believe sin is the biggest culprit to why people make these choices and rarely due to ever any situational circumstance such as risk of someone dying due to having a baby, which is a whole other subject. There is a responsibility people don't want to take part in, and it's almost always for selfish reasons.

[thugz4sale]

@Seymour13 Then they should murder their child because they don't want it? Wouldn't adoption be a better choice than killing a baby?

[Seymour13]

@thugz4sale

"and I wouldn't think"

Duh, because in that case they actually want to start a family, hence 'loving family'.

Otherwise it's a 'loving couple that doesn't want children'.

The point of that particular issue was (as mentioned previously) unwanted pregnancy, barring even the 2 examples I gave just the pain is cause enough to refuse to go through with the pregnancy if the person in question doesn't WANT to.

The ppl in your example do (I assume) want to have the child.

/sigh.