Father Barron on "Angels and Demons" (SPOILERS)

Another part of a video series from Wordonfire.org. Father Barron will be commenting on subjects from modern day culture.

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[ezemdi]

IF the Vatican is supportive of scientific endeavors TODAY it's because brave men and women of science have laid down their lives for the advancement of humanity; need I mention names?

Do you think the Church woke up one morning and had an epiphany, "ohh jeez, this burning at the stake thing is quite inhumane and barbaric, we need to mend our ways"?

No. Good men had to stand up to the Leviathan that is the Catholic Church in order to bring about change , and humanity is forever indebted to them

[wordonfirevideo]

@ezemdi Oy vey! Sometimes I don't know why I bother... But friend, that is just so simplistic and one-sided. Yes indeed, lots of religious people made lots of very bad practical and theoretical judgments in regard to teh sciences, but lots and lots and lots of religious people have been massively supportive of the sciences, including, to name a few, Newton, Descartes, Tycho Brache, Gregor Mendel, Copernicus, and Fr. Georges Le Maitre, forumulator of the Big Bang theory.

[jormorcastan]

@Father Barron Come on Father that movie is as fictional as the bible, the only diferece is that the movie producers pay taxes

[wordonfirevideo]

@jormorcastan Hey, I pay taxes evey year. Do you want to see my returns? And to say that the letter to the Romans, the Gospel of Luke, first and second Samuel, and the book of Chronicles are simply "fiction," is to prove either that you haven't read those texts or you don't know the meaning of the term!

[jormorcastan]

@wordonfirevideo Of the $20,000,000,000 worth of U. S. property exempt from taxation, nearly one quarter is owned by churches.

[wordonfirevideo]

@jormorcastan Well I assume you know why this is the case. The churches do all sorts of things--from education to feeding the hungry, to caring for the sick--that the state would have to do otherwise. Exempting churches from taxation, therefore, is not some kind of perk; it's strict justice.

[wordonfirevideo]

@BlizBob The "Vatican" does not espouse any particular scientific view of the world. The Church is concerned with theology, metaphysics,morality, and spirituality. It leaves the determination of the details of astrophysics to the experts.

[SplatteredRemnants]

@sciencelives2000 I like how you didn't address the second part of my comment. I don't know your take on abortion, but many people believe it is something that is O.K., but then in the same breath whine about homosexual rights and human rights, and moan about people who were allegedly put to death by Christians. IMO, these people have no place speaking about human rights when they support mass genocide of helpless, innocent babies.

[SplatteredRemnants]

@sciencelives2000 95% isn't enough of a percentage that I'd feel comfortable with.  If there was even 1% chance of dying or causing death to another in some unneccesary situation, I wouldn't do it.

What is more important here? Sexual pleasure or staying safe and keeping your spouse safe? No need for unnecessary risks.

[sciencelives2000]

@SplatteredRemnants Actually, many of those persecuted Christians were persecuted by their fellow Christians. Many others were persecuted by fellow supernaturalists, with competitive brands of supernaturalism. This happened particularly when Christians tried to foist their brand of supernaturalism onto them. History is replete with supernaturalists persecuting each other. I would admit that in some cases non-supernaturalists have persecuted supernaturalists, but the reverse also happened.

[sciencelives2000]

@SplatteredRemnants First, condoms when used correctly, are 95% effective. In studies where the husband is HIV poz and the wife neg, condoms were effective in blocking transmission of the virus for decades. Your argument is thereby falsified.

Re: abstinence. Abstinence is effective but it has severe disadvantages, especially with married couples. To deny a couple the pleasures and unification of sex when condoms would allow it is absurd and inhumane.

[SplatteredRemnants]

@sciencelives2000 And as you know, condoms aren't always trustworthy i.e. they break, and viruses can still be spread. I'll give you a scientific method that is proven and sure to work each and every time: Abstinence.

[SplatteredRemnants]

@ezemdi Why do people with your mindset forget to mention the thousands upon thousands of Christians who have been persecuted since the beginning of the faith? Why do people with your mindset care so much about people being allegedly persecuted by Christians when they support genocide (abortion)? Contradictions!

[sciencelives2000]

@rorrt While marital fidelity may be an admirable goal, it takes two to ensure fidelity. The problem has been that the husband has extramarital sex and, encouraged by supernaturalism, refuses to employ a condom, thus acquiring the virus from prostitutes and transmitting it to his wife. A very sad situation. And entirely preventable.

[rorrt]

@sciencelives2000

Indeed the church over there presents abstinence, and loyalty to prevent the spread of AIDs. That clearly hasnt helped these people, transmitting aids, over and over.

What i really hate about what the church are doing over in Africa is the way that they boast "We have 1 billion souls". With those billion they could do so much good.

They could potentially wipe out AIDs, in these societies.

[sciencelives2000]

@rorrt The issue of condoms does indeed seem to be a touchy subject. For me, it is a compelling demonstration of an essential conflict between supernaturalism and science. Modern scientific medicine has shown unequivocally that condoms are an important part of our effort to reduce HIV transmission. Some (not all) supernaturalists declare condom use an evil--even in same-sex encounters---without verifiable evidence. Consequently, some people are infected unnecessarily. Amazing.

[rorrt]

Oooh, there is a bit of a touchy subject with the ol' Pope and condoms...

Scientifically proven not to spread diseases...

I think there's a case of religion not facing facts, scientific fact.

PS The best part of the film has to be said helicopter scene...Its so pompous and preposterous.