Daniele Barioni - Quello che tacete - La fanciulla del West
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In Jazz they call it "quoting." Take a cool phrase, turn it into a completely different song. That's bad? To call that "plagiarism" is just to get caught up in rhetoric.
When writers adopt someone else's phrase, they don't stop the book to tell you where they got it. It's up to the intelligent reader to recognize it and appreciate it.
4 months ago 2
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@sliver394 webber is certainly knowledgeable about music, I think for anyone classically educated this would be a well known opera.
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@scumblejack Hmmm, i know what you mean, but it's stretching to call that a steal. We're dealing with such simple chord progressions and melodies here, that it's hard to draw a line. Composers will inevitably explore similar material. I'd call the example in this video a 'steal', intentional or otherwise. Your example I'm not so sure about. It's certainly not identical.
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I like webber, but I won't lie he obviously stole it. There are much simpler melody and rarely similar ones ever come up
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Lloyd Webber also stole the end of "Recondita Armonia" from "Tosca" by Puccini, for the end of "Til I Hear You Sing" from "Love Never Dies".
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The thing about composition is that a musical phrase can only go in so many directions and still function as a musical line. Plus this melody is fairly simple so it isn't shocking that other composers come up with similar ones.
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being a classical composer myself.
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There are similarities. Given the limitations of the musical scale, inadvertent "plagiarism" is going to be a possibility. Or he may have deliberately lifted. It doesn't matter to me; most composers are influenced by others' compositions. Both pieces are beautiful music.
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@aeg9297 Agreed. If I had a dollar for every song with similar phrases...
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Puccini is the king of soaring, heart wrenching melodies.
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Whether webber stole it or not can't truly be decided. All composers are influenced by each other. Look at all the baroque and classical composers.
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Llloyd Weber clearly lifted a few lines from this for Music Of The Night in Phantom of the Opera
gordonl 3 years ago 21
0:42 through 0:55 is very similar to "Music of the Night" but they are different songs by a long shot
aeg9297 1 year ago 13