Does John 3:16 Refute Calvinism? (2of3)

People who don't believe that God chose people to be saved before the foundation of the world not based on anything they had done good or bad usually appeal to John 3:16 for their case. Does John 3:16 really teach that Jesus died for the entire world? Well, in a sense, yes, and, in a sense, no. Watch the video to find out.


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Part of the series "The Sovereignty of God" http://www.crosstv.com )

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• john
• 316
• universalism
• calvinism
• arminianism
• conditional
• election

[lessingtom]

OK! here goes. For God so loved the world [BELIEVERS ONLY] that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whosoever [meaning the BELIEVERS ONLY] believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. [John 3:16] Who are the BELIEVERS ONLY. Here's a short list.

1) Calvinists only

2) The elect only

3) Mark Kielar only (together, of course, with all his Calvinistic buddies only: John MacArthur, Paul Washer, James White, RC Sproul, Robert Morey, Mark Driscoll).

[sjennings86]

Great video! Thanks for posting!

[nicodemous52]

Could not "elect" also mean all those truly in Christ as opposed to predestination? Why doesn't anyone ever speak of the root of "elect"? I am not trying to trap for I don't konw, I am honestly asking.

[bullmoose1969]

Joe Nunzio lol

[TennesseeOwnsMyBones]

LMAO... "In a sense, yes, and in a sense, no".... That is the exact bs ambivalence we already found in Calvin's writings... "God wills and God wills not at the same time".

[jarredkolvick]

this guys a bum...how embarrassed knowledgeable calvinists must be with this video. i'm just waiting to get a chance to trade talking points with these "great minds" They'd get lit up.

[jarredkolvick]

this guys a bum...how embarrassed knowledgeable calvinists must be with this video. i'm just waiting to get a chance to trade talking points with these "great minds" They'd get lit up.

[rrusco]

@Ogram1000 You make an interesting point. However the Bible DOES mean what it means. All means all and world means world. It's just that the Greeks or Hebrews express things differently than we do. They have 8 ways of using "Kosmos" (world) while English has one - thus the confusion. For "all" we add words to all to define its context like "all kinds of..." while the Greeks or Hebrews will give you the context in the previous paragraph and then just say "all". There's only one way of saying sin.

[rrusco]

@shinesmile77 "the World (World, being, everyone on earth)" - If you look at 0:18 (18 seconds into the video) there is the Strong's Concordance contain other passages using the Greek word "Kosmos". At Section 8a it says "of Believers only" along with scripture passages from John and Corinthians. It would be helpful to look at how the same writer (John) used the same word elsewhere (John 1:29 & John 6:33) and then you can safely draw your conclusion. All converted ones were once unbelievers.