Fred Phelps has stood outside the cathetral in Topeka, Kansas, and children, on Easter Sunday, denoucing the church with messages on cardboard. He has also been seen doing this in another Episcopal Church in Topeka.
He is not nearly as nuanced as some of the commentators here.
Still, an interesting question about a church which has decided to open all ordained ministries to gay men and lesbian women. The Episcopal Church continues to decline, of course, even as scandals abound in Catholicism.
Fred Phelps has stood outside the cathetral in Topeka, Kansas, and children, on Easter Sunday, denoucing the church with messages on cardboard. He has also been seen doing this in another Episcopal Church in Topeka.
He is not nearly as nuanced as some of the commentators hear.
Still, an interesting question about a church which has decided to open all ordained ministries to gay men and lesbian women. The Episcopal Church continues to decline, of course, even as scandals abound in Catholicism.
@catholicpriest1 : Oh, absolutely not, I am in agreement with you, for sure. I was simply agreeing, pointing out, that this so-called Bishop has made it about HIM. Think how much time he has spent in the last few years, talking about the "gay issue" and talking about himself...versus serving the poor, or working to end abortion. Our Anglican community is a mess right now.
@ScottMacFie You are not disagreeing with me. My point is that the Episcopalian Church is dying because it conforms too much to the wider culture. I am a Roman Catholic and am glad that my Church resists such conformity (for the most part).
The Episcopal Church in the United States won't "die" per se, it will be liquidated and stripped, until it reaches its final numerical, social & demographic station: Even whiter (if you can believe that), even less diverse (in the truest sense), extremely gay, much smaller, & with scant resources. Presbyterian USA will be right behind. Ultimately, regular God-fearing Americans, as tolerant as they are, contrary to popular belief, do not go to church to be infused with cultural relativism.
@catholicpriest1: As an Anglican, I can only suggest that this interview fully demonstrates that such people within the "church" see it as about them. Their ego-- their wider "acceptance" within any particular community. Although I believe in gay tolerance, the church cannot and does not "change" to welcome any particular conduct. In the end, it is the ultimate form of high arrogance for ANY of us, to assume to change the written word of our Lord.
I wonder if the Rt. Rev. Robinson is a "Pitcher" or a "Catcher"
Dose the Biship like to play the roll of the submisive femanan partner in bed?
Gays should be welcome in the church, we are all siners. Allowing gay clergy sends a message that this life style is holy and aceptable to god. We are all broken inperfect people, we can not pertend like what is evil is holey and pure.
Protestant (bad) Churches can always change, this man is right: just take the Bible, twist it, find some excuses for a new "interpretation" and... that's it! INFALLIBLE TEACHING isn't it?
Fred Phelps has stood outside the cathetral in Topeka, Kansas, and children, on Easter Sunday, denoucing the church with messages on cardboard. He has also been seen doing this in another Episcopal Church in Topeka.
He is not nearly as nuanced as some of the commentators here.
Still, an interesting question about a church which has decided to open all ordained ministries to gay men and lesbian women. The Episcopal Church continues to decline, of course, even as scandals abound in Catholicism.
Behaviordoc2 7 months ago
Fred Phelps has stood outside the cathetral in Topeka, Kansas, and children, on Easter Sunday, denoucing the church with messages on cardboard. He has also been seen doing this in another Episcopal Church in Topeka.
He is not nearly as nuanced as some of the commentators hear.
Still, an interesting question about a church which has decided to open all ordained ministries to gay men and lesbian women. The Episcopal Church continues to decline, of course, even as scandals abound in Catholicism.
Behaviordoc2 7 months ago
@catholicpriest1 : Oh, absolutely not, I am in agreement with you, for sure. I was simply agreeing, pointing out, that this so-called Bishop has made it about HIM. Think how much time he has spent in the last few years, talking about the "gay issue" and talking about himself...versus serving the poor, or working to end abortion. Our Anglican community is a mess right now.
ScottMacFie 9 months ago
@ScottMacFie You are not disagreeing with me. My point is that the Episcopalian Church is dying because it conforms too much to the wider culture. I am a Roman Catholic and am glad that my Church resists such conformity (for the most part).
catholicpriest1 9 months ago
The Episcopal Church in the United States won't "die" per se, it will be liquidated and stripped, until it reaches its final numerical, social & demographic station: Even whiter (if you can believe that), even less diverse (in the truest sense), extremely gay, much smaller, & with scant resources. Presbyterian USA will be right behind. Ultimately, regular God-fearing Americans, as tolerant as they are, contrary to popular belief, do not go to church to be infused with cultural relativism.
ScottMacFie 9 months ago
@catholicpriest1: As an Anglican, I can only suggest that this interview fully demonstrates that such people within the "church" see it as about them. Their ego-- their wider "acceptance" within any particular community. Although I believe in gay tolerance, the church cannot and does not "change" to welcome any particular conduct. In the end, it is the ultimate form of high arrogance for ANY of us, to assume to change the written word of our Lord.
ScottMacFie 9 months ago
Then why is the Episcopalian Church dying?
catholicpriest1 9 months ago
I wonder if the Rt. Rev. Robinson is a "Pitcher" or a "Catcher"
Dose the Biship like to play the roll of the submisive femanan partner in bed?
Gays should be welcome in the church, we are all siners. Allowing gay clergy sends a message that this life style is holy and aceptable to god. We are all broken inperfect people, we can not pertend like what is evil is holey and pure.
BayouCityImage 2 years ago
"Change". I guess that's what Episcopalians are all about.
Do they believe in sin? I wonder what the limits are.
Dystopiologist 2 years ago
Protestant (bad) Churches can always change, this man is right: just take the Bible, twist it, find some excuses for a new "interpretation" and... that's it! INFALLIBLE TEACHING isn't it?
LGBT need to live in chastity as everyone else.
michelexyz 2 years ago