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[Kaddywompous]

@AnaximanderLindemann I know it's difficult to think in these terms, but the logic is inescapable: without space and time there can be no cause and effect. Cause/effect is "If this, then that". Space/time is required for this to occur, or would you care to explain to me at what point in time time began. W/O space there can be no point, w/o time there can be no beginning. The very idea of "before time" is nonsensical. For space/time to exist it must be self-existing. Cont.

[Kaddywompous]

@AnaximanderLindemann Infinite regress is impossible WITHIN A SPACE/TIME FRAMEWORK. Indeed the very notion of regress is only possible within that framework. I never said the universe caused itself out of nothing, I said it was uncaused and existing within infinity as a probability.

[Kaddywompous]

@AnaximanderLindemann Read your syllogism again and you'll see what I'm getting at. Everything that had a beginning in time had a cause, but the universe did NOT have a beginning in time, time had a beginning in the universe. Therefore, the universe is uncaused, eternal, and (because space had a beginning in the universe as well) infinite.

[AnaximanderLindemann]

@Kaddywompous Everything that had a beginning in time has a cause.The universe had a beginning in time. Therefore the universe had a cause.

[AnaximanderLindemann]

@Kaddywompous ...So, it is on you to somehow, with your wicked imagination show how can universe and naturals extremly finely tuned natural laws can be uncaused ?By which mysterious, magical mechanism?(ohh, and remember, you are the one who supposedly dont believe in magic -.-' )

[AnaximanderLindemann]

@Kaddywompous ..prevent any possibility of ,,uncaused,, universe to expand, just as it ,,caused itself,, out of nothing, as you claim, since your claim (No time, no space, so no cause) is nonsensical ...and btw, when you say infinite being cant cause space-time and the whole material universe to exist, this is clear evidence how ,,smart,, and ,,educated,, you are ...

Now, as i said, infinity cannot exist as infinite possibilities within infinity, beause infinite regress is impossible ....

[AnaximanderLindemann]

@Kaddywompous Without space and time there can be no cause and effect?Are you serious?Did you even studied highschool science?Infinite REGRESS is IMPOSSIBLE, so there must be first cause to everything, and first cause must be eternal, and since space and time began, just as natural laws began to exist(were created) so does the whole cosmos, and constqance within it.When you say without space and time there can be no cause, is complete nonsense, because the very laws of thermodynamics would ....

[Kaddywompous]

@AnaximanderLindemann cont., the quantum level. If the universe is uncaused there can't be a personal entity creating or causing from nothing. Ex nihilo creation is an impossibilty anyway.

[Kaddywompous]

@AnaximanderLindemann Little boxes. PM me if you want to really talk about this. Without space and time there can be no cause and effect and, thus, infinite being can't cause space/time and the whole of the material universe to exist. In order for phys. universe to exist it, then, it must also be self-existing. Indeed, for space/time to coexist with infinity it can only exist as one of infinite possibilities within infinity, like a quantum wave form, and, remember, the universe began at, cont.

[Kaddywompous]

@AnaximanderLindemann Oh for fuck's sake! When I said 'apple pie' I didn't mean it was or could be a literal apple pie! My point was that it doesn't matter what you call the self-existing something, it would remain what it is irrespective of the label. Labels confuse the issue as your digression into Hindu mythology demonstrated. And, if you continue with the childish name calling this dialogue will cease.