Beijing Style Shuaijiao Technique

so explain the arm drag, which marcelo garcia uses as pretty much his #1 takedown

has any1 ever seen Judo vs. Shua Jiao b4?

Well chinese styles dont really have ground grapping because ground grappling with weapons involved is a bad idea 2 hands on a choke or armbar will get you killed in the streets ! where im from washington d.c anyway where ppl have knifes

Ok then you die standing - a big difference.

hseckink.. If I could chime in on this, I've also never seen a Chinese style that treats ground-fighting in any detail the way BJJ or Sambo does. I suspect this is due to the abundance of weapons and the social context in which the styles were developed. In modern Brazil, most fights are mano a mano, with no weapons. In feudal or turn of the century China, you'd be hard-pressed to find a population of people where edged weapons weren't commonplace. Hence, ground-work is a bad idea.

you will not find ground grappling in ancient styles because ground grappling is a modern martial art. brazil developed ground grappling on accident, and BJJ was not always emphasizing the ground game, it looked very much like judo with a more developed ground game then. it was made in the early 20th century. sambo was also developed in the 20th century, but i don't know the background well so i don't want to say how and be wrong, though i believe it was a military project

ground grappling is not exclusively modern. There is record of well-developed ground-fighting techniques in many parts of the world dating back as long as the striking arts do. Ancient greek wrestling being the most notable example. While there's no way to know for sure, it stands to reason that ground fighting falls out of favor in cultures where weapons are prevalent but has been practiced for just as long as other fighting styles. BJJ and Sambo are modern examples, but not the only examples.

there's some pretty ancient ground grappling techniques in india

The closest I have seen to ground fighting in the northern systems were some of the throw to joint break combinations my instructor showed from Shuaijiao (where the break occurs almost simultaneously with the throws impact). In Japanese styles, the prevalence of ground fighting has varied a lot. For example, Kano's school was pretty much all throws, then all of his students got dominated by a ground fighter. The Kosen branch of Judo was the result of the grapplers collaboration with Kano.

Maeda was an expert in both the Daisen (standing) and Kosen (ground) fighting methods of the Kodokan, and he was the instructor of the Gracies. The Japanese (including Maeda) in general favored the Daisen methods, and it was the Gracies that eventually favored the grappling methods. It should be noted that during the pre-war years Japanese Judo masters dominated the Judo and Jujitsu fights in South America with rapidly applied combinations of throws into submissions (no extended grappling).