@xChuckNorrisKickx The evidence I am speaking of for hypnosis, is the phenomena of TRANCE (such as natural anesthesia, affirmations, etc;). I do not believe that a hypnotist exerts some "mesmeric force" over the subject; that, my friend, is pseudo science. I believe it is what you are referring to.
@xChuckNorrisKickx I agree there. I never said it was not placebo. Are you still referencing mesmerism? Of course hypnotism is a placebo, but it does allow a subject to induce a trance in themselves; the suggestions are accepted and planted subconsciously, then put into expression. Hypnotism is not the same thing as mesmerism; no one has believed that the hypnotist has any influence over the subject, aside from presentation, form and suggestions, in a very long time (at least to my knowledge).
@xChuckNorrisKickx I'm not a believer; I am a skeptic. I'm on a fence still forming my conclusion. I think my position is the most logical, but you disagree; you are welcome to do so.
@xChuckNorrisKickx Despite that fact that people have questioned the omnipresence of the above law, (they don't know if it exists EVERYWHERE or not) I would ask why you think this removes the possibility of life after death? I'm not talking about mediums now, but the potential that human consciousness survives death. Remember, science is based on observation, so if there are things we observe that cannot be explained by our conventional knowledge, we must seek to expand our theories.
@xChuckNorrisKickx Also, these things have a veridical, or "consist nature" with reality that far out does what would be expected by chance. Read the SPR's "Report of the Census of Hallucinations" for more information. If you are going to talk to me, I would appreciate a mutual sense of respect; I certainly know the literature very well. I think people could learn a lot from each other, even with different opinions, if they all would adopt this attitude.
@xChuckNorrisKickx People have speculated that these might simply be some weird form of "telepathic hallucination"; even Frank Podmore, one of the greatest skeptics of all time said he thought that was more likely than "genuine spirits" appearing. Podmore and many skeptics (who actually know the research literature) would not deny the strong evidence for telepathy.
@xChuckNorrisKickx Collective cases imply that more than one person saw the alleged "apparition" at the same time. There are possible explanations for some of these, but not the more well documented ones.
@xChuckNorrisKickx I read the study in depth. She didn't loosen the protocol -all she did was give the alleged medium an object (a picture, as bland as possible, etc;) to "connect" with. She simply gave a different object in the two different experiments; they never said the study "proved" anything. It is an area that deserves serious research, even if only for the reason that any concept of "life after death" is an essential thing which we shouldd explore.
@xChuckNorrisKickx I do not assume anonymity, Chucky boy. What I said was closer to "It seems to preclude any prior research on the "mediums" part, if you are to give false information, etc;" I do not "assume" that Anderson, or any other medium is genuine. You do measure these things with hits and misses. You are right; I was simply saying that cold reading partially relies on the typicality of a person "remembering the hits and forgetting the misses". I'm not superstitious in the least.
@429Cage Oh no, don't report me, I'm scared. The manner in which that fraud, or any other psychic, conducts business should never be trusted as a means to guarantee anonymity. So long as his group of employees controls the information, how can any rational person assume anonymity? Only the most gullible, religionist, superstitious, and dumbest believers could fall for something so obvious.
@xChuckNorrisKickx The evidence I am speaking of for hypnosis, is the phenomena of TRANCE (such as natural anesthesia, affirmations, etc;). I do not believe that a hypnotist exerts some "mesmeric force" over the subject; that, my friend, is pseudo science. I believe it is what you are referring to.
429Cage 6 days ago
@xChuckNorrisKickx I agree there. I never said it was not placebo. Are you still referencing mesmerism? Of course hypnotism is a placebo, but it does allow a subject to induce a trance in themselves; the suggestions are accepted and planted subconsciously, then put into expression. Hypnotism is not the same thing as mesmerism; no one has believed that the hypnotist has any influence over the subject, aside from presentation, form and suggestions, in a very long time (at least to my knowledge).
429Cage 6 days ago
@xChuckNorrisKickx I'm not a believer; I am a skeptic. I'm on a fence still forming my conclusion. I think my position is the most logical, but you disagree; you are welcome to do so.
429Cage 6 days ago
@xChuckNorrisKickx Despite that fact that people have questioned the omnipresence of the above law, (they don't know if it exists EVERYWHERE or not) I would ask why you think this removes the possibility of life after death? I'm not talking about mediums now, but the potential that human consciousness survives death. Remember, science is based on observation, so if there are things we observe that cannot be explained by our conventional knowledge, we must seek to expand our theories.
429Cage 6 days ago
@xChuckNorrisKickx Also, these things have a veridical, or "consist nature" with reality that far out does what would be expected by chance. Read the SPR's "Report of the Census of Hallucinations" for more information. If you are going to talk to me, I would appreciate a mutual sense of respect; I certainly know the literature very well. I think people could learn a lot from each other, even with different opinions, if they all would adopt this attitude.
429Cage 6 days ago
@xChuckNorrisKickx People have speculated that these might simply be some weird form of "telepathic hallucination"; even Frank Podmore, one of the greatest skeptics of all time said he thought that was more likely than "genuine spirits" appearing. Podmore and many skeptics (who actually know the research literature) would not deny the strong evidence for telepathy.
429Cage 6 days ago
@xChuckNorrisKickx Collective cases imply that more than one person saw the alleged "apparition" at the same time. There are possible explanations for some of these, but not the more well documented ones.
429Cage 6 days ago
@xChuckNorrisKickx I read the study in depth. She didn't loosen the protocol -all she did was give the alleged medium an object (a picture, as bland as possible, etc;) to "connect" with. She simply gave a different object in the two different experiments; they never said the study "proved" anything. It is an area that deserves serious research, even if only for the reason that any concept of "life after death" is an essential thing which we shouldd explore.
429Cage 6 days ago
@xChuckNorrisKickx I do not assume anonymity, Chucky boy. What I said was closer to "It seems to preclude any prior research on the "mediums" part, if you are to give false information, etc;" I do not "assume" that Anderson, or any other medium is genuine. You do measure these things with hits and misses. You are right; I was simply saying that cold reading partially relies on the typicality of a person "remembering the hits and forgetting the misses". I'm not superstitious in the least.
429Cage 6 days ago
@429Cage Oh no, don't report me, I'm scared. The manner in which that fraud, or any other psychic, conducts business should never be trusted as a means to guarantee anonymity. So long as his group of employees controls the information, how can any rational person assume anonymity? Only the most gullible, religionist, superstitious, and dumbest believers could fall for something so obvious.
xChuckNorrisKickx 1 week ago