Brian McLaren - More Emergent Errors

This is the second excerpt from "The Errors of the Emergent Church" by Eric Barger. It recounts Eric's visit to Northwest Nazarene University and Brian McLaren's "Everything Must Change" conference in February, 2008. For more visit www.ericbarger.com.

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[Jpj1918]

I would encourage people to investigate what you are saying.

Much of what you say is taken out of context and misinterpreted. For example, your comment regarding p. 61 in Mclaren's book "A New Kind of Christian" about being good rather than being right..

Later on p. 61, "I'm not in any way saying truth isn't important. But I am saying that truth means more than factual accuracy. It means being in sync with God".

Your comments are disingenuous at best.

[ebart32]

In turn, I would hope that people would investigate anyone who could read McLaren's book and then defend his ideas as orthodox!

Picking out the p.61 comment to dissect and ignoring the mountain of biblical and historical evidence standing against Emergent teaching and practice is akin to taking a drop of water from a lake and claiming you drained it.

[ebart32]

Again, like every other Emergent, InTheMidst1 never weighs in with any substantive answers as to where I am wrong - just that he's sure I am.

If the "intellectuals" who are pushing Emergent heresy had a higher regard for the authority and inspiration of the canon of Scripture as did, say, John Wesley, then we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. If that were the case then perhaps some of them might be more concerned for lost souls than unorthodox teachings such as McLaren's.

[ebart32]

- From Eric Barger -

To refer to the defenders of orthodox, bible-believing Christianity as "Mafia" shows just how low this debate is going.

[kytekutter]

Thank you for taking on the challenge of refuting this heresy doctrine!

[devonbiker]

Shocking! Thanks for sharing, I know people who are buying into Brian Mclarens teachings and I'm seeing old Christian values being thrown away. In my opinion, Mclaren is teaching heresy and it needs to be challenged. YouTube search Brian Mclaren and most videos are about him rather than videos like this who teach to correct the herecies. Signs of the end times for sure!

[hiddentalent123]

Thanks for sharing. I was unaware of this

mess going on.

[Strefanasha]

Now I know why the Holy Spirit told me not to go to any bible college or seminary.

McClaren is not a christian. end of story.

But let us not congratulate ourselves for our orthodoxy. if it were genuine and bore real fruit would these people have any reason to reject what we say we stand for but which by our fuit we do not believe. Someone said the cults and isms were the unpaid bills of the church, ie we are responsible for them spawning. so also with this emergent nonsense. let us repent 1st

[RememberJohnGalt]

Whoever speaking in this video knows not the truth.

[chancejackson]

i cant believe that so many christians are so insecure and afraid they might not have everything figured out that they take people like rob bell, shane claiborne, donald miller, or mclaren completely out of context. any serious scholar of the bible and its culture would agree with brian mclaren on this idea of the kingdom of God. come on man, do your research.

[Jpj1918]

@daveme7 It may be helpful to study the term "salvation" as you understand it versus how I understand it. At the heart of our disagreement is our different understanding of the word. The term salvation, as used in Scripture would not have been interpreted as "save from Hell or one's sins" as the concept of Hell didn't exist in the Jewish faith. I would take a much broader view of the term, whereas you (I would guess) would interpret it only as "personal salvation"

[Jpj1918]

@daveme7 Would be glad to help you out Dave! I didn't state or even imply that we should no longer use the bible. Instead, I posed a question that you did not answer. Is it possible that we can mis-interpret scripture (in the light of the atrocities that have been committed using Scripture as justification)? If it is possible, who determines who is "right" about different interpretations? We are human beings who get things wrong and screw up.

[daveme7]

@Jpj1918 Somehow, I never find anywhere else it speaks of water believing when the plain understanding is humanity. John 5, 6, and 10 deals with similar themes-where is the dirt, water, and air in these chapters. Romans 1 speaks of worshipping the creature and not the creator-somehow I think this also figures in. Context, context, context! I am glad someone taught me that and how to study the bible or perhaps I would be just like you! Context rules!

[daveme7]

Of course in these verses-it is so obvious it is speaking of hiumanity-how does dirt believe? How does water believe? These are the two elements besides air that takes more space in this world

@Jpj1918 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

[daveme7]

@Jpj1918 Context rules-he is not speaking about earth but rather people

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reprovedc. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.