U.G.Krishnamurti

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[22mar79]

@jaiwhowalks108 Yes, we can be in that state (in desirelessness etc etc) those bastards use to sell in the spiritual market only when we are dead, that's all UG was trying to say. 'The truth always triumphs' - doesn't sound comprehensive at all, uh? 'We are Sons of Nectar' are only empty words as we can see. That's the point. Regarding your belief in consciousness, once you are that, who'll be there to be engaged in anything? I'm not desireless but, unlike those gurus, I admit the fact.

[jaiwhowalks108]

@SamuelSkelter The explaination of unqualified 'Oneness' or 'AprokshaVaad' is incomplete. Once you are pure consciousness - what is your engagement? Are you desireless? A dead man is desireless. The Upanishads inform us "Amritasya Putraa" - (We are) Sons of Nectar, "Satyameva Jayate" - The truth always triumphs.

[SamuelSkelter]

@jaiwhowalks108 A person is born in a poor family and another in a rich family due to the difference that the very demand for a pattern created. 'Karma' is their way to make you accept the oppression as a natural fact. Then you have the blame, cos in a past you committed supposed things that are the cause of your present situation, then you'll blame yourself and engage their religious-spiritual control over you, and they go on free and rich and controlling your lives while you feed them.

[SamuelSkelter]

@jaiwhowalks108

Cultivate indifference to everything, having given up kama (desire) which is

the enemy, artha (worldly prosperity) which is attended with mischief, and dharma

(performance of good works) which is the cause of these two. (Ashtavakra Gita 10:1)

[SamuelSkelter]

@jaiwhowalks108

I am not this body, nor have I a body. I am not Jiva, I am Pure Consciousness.

This indeed was my bondage that I had thirst for life. (AG 2:22)

Rare is the broad-minded person who has neither attraction for, nor aversion

to, dharma (duty), artha (worldly prosperity), kama (desire), and moksa (liberation) as well as life and death. (AG 17:6)

[SamuelSkelter]

@jaiwhowalks108

Abstention from action is as much the outcome of ignorance as the

performance action. Knowing this truth fully well, thus do I firmly abide. (Ashtavakra Gita 12:5)

The yogins who are attached to the body insist upon action or inaction.

Owing to the absence of association and dissociation, I live happily. (Ashtavakra Gita 13:4)

[SamuelSkelter]

@jaiwhowalks108 That's what culture led you to believe. You mention the word 'karma', read the Ashtavakra Gita, you'll see that all those things are denied there as well.

Knowledge, knower and the knowable –- these three do not exist in reality. I

am that stainless Self in which this triad appears through ignorance.

He who has realized that is care and nothing else that breeds misery in this

world, becomes free from it, and is happy, peaceful and everywhere rid of desires.

AG 2:15, 11:5

[jaiwhowalks108]

How can you deny reincarnation without putting forth your theory of why a person born in a poor family and another is born in a rich or cultured family. Mr. UGK is an atheist who is arguing with the absolute without putting forth his own theory.

Rather than trying to beat others down - Mr. UGK should give some constructive arguments for understanding the nature of the following:

Work - Karma, purpose behind creation, and nature.

[Epictetus2008]

So true!