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"Fire in the Eyes," Part 1

http://www.northcoastearthf... Non-violent North Coast Earth First! activists getting pepper spray tortured by the Humboldt Co. Sheriff's Dept. Victims sued in federal court and won; officers a...  
 
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robodeer (11 months ago) Show Hide
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Its called TRESPASSING you ppl continually break the law.If you want to save trees BUY them.Its simple.
NCEFMedia (11 months ago) Show Hide
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It's called CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE, and it's responsible for some of the greatest shifts in our nation's consciousness and policies. MLK was a big fan of civil disobedience, and the nation is about to celebrate him, in a very big way. Do you have the pocket change to buy old growth trees? Most people don't, so what do you do when you you're not loaded with cash? Nothing? Also, Maxxam was not a willing seller, for the most part. We tried that route, yet you can't fundraise if there's no deal.
robodeer (11 months ago) Show Hide
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i would have happily pissed in these peoples eyes....
NCEFMedia (11 months ago) Show Hide
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You have some bizarre fantasies there, robodeer, you might want to get some professional help. Why such disdain for people who do something for the greater good? In the end, thousands of trees were saved and the pepper spray lawsuit was won by the activists. A federal jury decided that the Humboldt Co. Sheriff's Dept. was wrong to use pepper spray in this way, as a torture device, and has been forbidden from doing so in the future. You would be on the losing team, robodeer.
c9d4l (1 year ago) Show Hide
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hahaha!...they got what they deserved...
NCEFMedia (1 year ago) Show Hide
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Well, the jury disagreed with you, and the Humboldt Co. Sheriff's Dept. can no longer use pepper spray as a torture device. The pepper spray victims became the pepper spray plaintiffs and defeated this practice in court.
Since when do people who want to save trees deserve to be tortured? Think about it.
Torture has been outlawed by international treaties, so you're definitely way behind the times if you advocate or justify torture; or like Bush Jr., take your pick.
snapdragonabs (1 year ago) Show Hide
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Thank you. Not only are correct about the facts, but you're right on everything else 100%. :)
NCEFMedia (1 year ago) Show Hide
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Thank you, I'm definitely open to respectful debate:) I believe that people do have the right to call out the police for excessive force, in order to preserve our rights to protest without fear of injury or death. When you riot, you can expect the police to do the same; when you protest in a very calm and controlled manner, it's reasonable to expect similar treatment. I feel that the police were getting lazy, and didn't want to take the time to cut people out, thought they could fast-track it
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My experience with civil protest comes from the labor side , Joe Hill for example, which has traditionally been decidedly more violent that ecology protest. Battle of Blair mountain was an extream historical example, but par the norm. I have since changed my views and have been on the police side recently. I sympathize with both sides. The police really mean well, but they are in an akward position in these situations.
rrvb (1 year ago) Show Hide
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I don't feel they were lazy so much as running out of ideas and options. "Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice." I've enjoyed this discourse. If another video of yours catches my eye I will def. be back for another row. Till then keep fighting for your beliefs. After all open discourse and freedom of expression are what this country is about. Differing points of view are what makes us a democracy. I'm just sorry it so often turns uncivilized.

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