2007 Ing Championship, 9P vs 8D

2007 North American Ing Championship, Board 1 Round 1, Feng Yun 9P (w) vs. Eric Lui 8D (b)
This is happed at the US Go Congress in Millersville, PA on Sunday, July 29, 2007.

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[whateva904039]

In kgs, you can make the game play out automatically if you press shift and the next button. Would make showing it easier :)

[hikaruUSA]

I think I did, if not I did for the other vids. Thx =D

[keniichi]

I love to play GO, but I have to ask you this question: Weiqi(GO right?) was invented in China, and is considered Chinese Chess? What about GO in Japan since it was taken from China, then wouldn't that also be considered Chess instead of Shogi?

[hikaruUSA]

Well people compare Go to Chess in China, but that is an Americanized statement. People say that just to draw some kind of idea to the game, its not actually true =D

[keniichi]

Oh, thanks! I'm going to KGS, now. maybe ill be able to play you there!

[hikaruUSA]

I wont be on much until June 5th XD

[TheUltimateZephyr]

A beautiful game by both. One can only wish to be either of those players sitting in front of each other. Able to touch the stones and truly realize such brilliance on a Go board

[brandalfgjfj]

@Maxdwolf well technically in chess you consider the other pieces on the board in go hmm well of course it's not as if the board was blank but you have to see the rekationship between groups you could say each group's position equals to a chess match, in the way you analyse it, plus there's the strategy, that is the whole board, you see some 15/20 kyus with an amazing reading ability, but not bad chess players who can read 5 moves ahead... but I agree chess isnt a totally different thing drom go

[Maxdwolf]

@kooler2004 So are you saying that when you played chess you did not consider the whole board when making a move or where the game was headed?

[Maxdwolf]

@kooler2004 Funniest definitions ever. :) The first two are meaningless, particularly when assigning numerical value.

You commit the fallacy of argument of authority again by citing Reinfeld. How did he come up with that number? Where are his calculations? 97.3 percent of statistics are made up out of thin air.

[kooler2004]

@Maxdwolf calculating. In chess the only part that can be considered a strategy is what opening you choose, but openings in chess are done tactically. However in Go the idea of tactics is only to build a board position that makes your strategy successful, and every tactical move made in Go has a primarily local influence, and when you use your tactics globally you start to see results.

[kooler2004]

@Maxdwolf in his book 1001 winning chess sacrifices and combinations. The reason it is refered to as such is because the game of Chess is all about calculating long variations, and not having a paticular strategy on the board. Strategy is the overall plan of a war. Go best shows this in that your first 15 moves determine what type of game you are trying to play. Each and every move a high amatuer dan or pro makes is focused on the entire board, and alot of moves require not tactics or

[kooler2004]

@Maxdwolf Accurate is a term that refers to something meeting the standard it is being said to meet. Tactics in definition of war is the way in which the strategy is carried out, and in Go tactics is any instance in which you need to see the next 2+ moves to know what is going to happen, and in chess it is the same concept. Go uses tactics to when fights locally, but is only useful if the fight won or lost coiencides with your global strategy. Chess is referred to as 99% tactics by Fred Reinfeld

[Maxdwolf]

@kooler2004 Give me the title of the book and the definition of tactics/strategy that they give such that they can assign a numerical value to either. I have spoken with go professionals and will bow to their judgment on any aspect within the game. But on mathematics, particularly game theory, they are not much better than the rest of us. You keep using that word accurate, I don't think it means what you think it means.

[kooler2004]

@Maxdwolf Those are not made up statistics bro look it up. I have chess book's from grandmasters that say chess is 99% tactics, and at the same time I have material from Go professionals that says tactics is 10% of Go. Both statements are accurate in all ways when you examine these two games.

[Maxdwolf]

@kooler2004 Please don't use made up statistics for terms which are not easily measured.

That go as it is played is more complex and more resistant to brute force calculations is well known.

I do in fact play go and consider it a superior game. But your comments in regards to it are inaccurate.