Hurts More, Bothers You Less

When we taste the infinite Absolute of consciousness, the world is seen just as it is—radiant, perfect, and whole. The relative, however, does not cease to be. Quite the contrary, both the pains AND the pleasures of our relative lives are intensified to an unimaginable degree.

Category:

Howto & Style

Tags:

• Integral
• Naked
• Ken
• Wilber
• Spirituality
• consciousness
• meditation

[hannahu108]

German translation available now!

Deutsche Übersetzung auf der Webseite des Integralen Forums

[Neuromance27]

@presentlightoftruth That just seems to represent a poor understanding of human psychology, in terms of the conceptual good and evil as if they are really separate yet mutually depend on one another to even exist in the slightest. Taking a deeper look shows good and evil exist nowhere but within the human psyche. It all has to do with judgement and ignorance.

[craigrgill]

I suspect this may sometimes be a more useful state of being and sometimes result in a greater reduction in suffering. Although sometimes a heartfelt expression sharing the same emotions may also help, especially with rapport building. It seems as though humans are able to hold more that one "position" at any one time possibly due to the ability of imagination? A bit like knowing that Santa doesn't exist but enjoying the excitement of playing along. That's the best analogy I could think of!!!

[craigrgill]

I may choose the words differently, ie the negativity is "sensed" rather than "felt" as Ken puts it. To "feel" it, would demonstrate there is still attachment, with ones feelings determined by external stimulus. I agree, when observing great suffering it does not have to take away ones happiness, both can exist at once, however the fact that it has been "sensed"/perceived/acknowledge­d into ones awareness can alter the response one makes or actions one takes, and help alleviate it if possible.

[craigrgill]

I think it would be a more accurate representation of the feeling to say "I'm not bothered by nothing" which would of course be considered poor use of English by most but I consider it a higher use similar to the RastafarI use of language . A double negative makes a positive mathematically. Or even better, one could say "I am happy with everything" which would batter the situation with positivity! ; )

[craigrgill]

This is really a great discussion. With regard to saying "nothing bothers me", this could be literally interpreted as "I am bothered by nothing" i.e. if I perceive nothingness I am bothered. The focus is "the nothing". A bit like when someone says "I don't care" when you can see they do really! Its like trying to deny the truth with only a mental construct and without a corresponding feeling.

[integraleric]

Thank you. Love it.

[cjg28]

I love ken

[shadowmongoose]

Ken knows what he's talking about. I have experienced this as well. As we develop and practice we become more empathetic towards others. We can feel the pain they feel to a much greater degree over time, but it does indeed bother us less. The suffering turns into discomfort and eventually, according to some, we may not even want to call it discomfort anymore.

[shadowmongoose]

@johnfrangiamore you are wrong and he is definitely not getting lost in getting money for his books. I imagine he keeps saying "well you need to read the book" because he covers quite a few issues in this book and it would be difficult getting into it without going through ridiculously long explanations. Ken is the real deal. We are lucky to have him here with us.