The Anthropic Principle and the Coincidence of Me - Part 1

A short essay on the Anthropic Principle and the Coincidence of our existence, as it pertains to problems in the debate of Evolution vs. Creationism, in how the central worldview of participants from either side of the fence invariably differs at a fundamental level.

I wanted unlock people from their static thinking by going back to what I see as one of the main reasons for this different worldview, and with various analogies make them raise their consciousness about these otherwise subconscious thought patterns that make up the underlying core of their mindset.

This attempt may prove futile as this is an incredibly difficult task, as it always is when trying to convey abstract thoughts by means of analogies and metaphors.


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[raponte1955]

Gnug215 OK. But then, what's your explanation to this statistically improbable universe? Multiverse?

[Gnug215]

@raponte1955 Saying that this universe is "statistically improbable" implies that this universe is a desirable or intended outcome. It implies that the universe, or existence, has "an opinion" on the existence of humans.

We humans look at the universe and think it's good that it is like it is, because it allows for our existence, but the universe doesn't necessarily "care" about that.

My point of the video is exactly that calling it "improbable" is human bias, when the term doesn't apply.

[Gnug215]

Yeah, I know, and I've even seen apologists like William Lane Craig acknowledge the possibility of a multiverse, and still fail to grasp the implications for their "anthropic argument".

It's sort of what I'm trying to point out in this video: If this universe wasn't tuned the way it is, we wouldn't be here to call the tuning "fine". That doesn't necessarily mean this universe is unique.

[acidclarkie]

@Gnug215 it's kinda like God saying to Abraham "you would not exist if it was'nt for me" then Abraham replies "you woundn't be known if it was not for me"

[Gnug215]

@acidclarkie Yeah, I mean, realistically, I accept that God might still exist without having any humans to know or believe in him, but philosophically speaking I'd say you could argue for his existence being void if no one was around. But this concept is even stronger in terms of the universe and us. The universe could probably care less about our existence and us knowing about it, since there could easily be myriads of other universes where no life exists.

[acidclarkie]

Gnug215 Sorry i cannot muster a coherent sentence for this short essay!!! and i do not wish to quibble.Only i pointed out that this guy said "up" to much which i dislike....if you cannot ynderstand my first comment you have a problem as i made it as simple as i could.

[Gnug215]

@acidclarkie Ah, I get it now. The quotation marks helped, thanks.

But well, I only mention it 10 times. :)

Which I think isn't too bad when I'm trying to describe the term and apply it to my argument, but ok, point understood this time, and taken.

[gamesbok]

@ali921812 And often it is necessary to deceive, and to do the greatest benefits by means of this device, whereas he who has gone by a straight course has done great mischief to the person whom he has not deceived."

– Chrysostom, Treatise On The Priesthood, Book 1.

Piltdown man was immediately attacked in France, Germany and the US exactly because it didn't fit with the evolutionary pattern that had been established. If we're going to start on Theological lies we'll be here some time.

[acidclarkie]

@Gnug215 you do know that the mutiverse theory does somewhat counter the Anthropic principle. Reason being, if there are an infinite amount of universes then our universe with all it's fine turning was bound to happen,you can even say that there is also an infinite amount of universe just like ours. but there are different types of Anthropic principle ie strong, weak, etc. I like the idea that only once you" observe" does something then exist.

[Gnug215]

@acidclarkie "This guy talks about up to much...dislike"

Well, at least this guy can form coherent sentences. You seem to have failed to form just a single one, so if you could be so kind as to make an attempt to reiterate the point you're trying to make in your comment?

Thanks.