Clare Daly TD - "Programme for Government is a programme for national austerity" (15-03-11)

During a debate on the motion for the Programme for Government, Clare Daly TD outlines why the programme will mean austerity for ordinary people

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[tellyontellyon]

@scrufduf

You used the word 'sociopath' to describe 'socialism'.... you're getting words confused and talking all sorts of nonsense. Your thinking seems a bit odd. I suspect you have mental health problems.

Regardless of what you think, the medication will help you if you keep taking it. I know it has some side-effects, but it will at least stop you making an arse of yourself like what you have been lately.

Good luck.... now turn the computer off and go back and see your psychiatrist.

[BrideAndGroomFilmsHD]

@scrufduf If you're not willing to pay your tax, off to the 8 x 8 foot cell with you until you learn some social responsibility.

[BrideAndGroomFilmsHD]

@scrufduf "Tommy doesn't deserve any of my wealth just like I don't deserve any of his relations wealth."

So I'm correct. The concept of "solidarity" has been driven from your mind. Most people, including myself, are willing to give a certain percentage of what we earn to the society in which we live, so that the vulnerable can survive and have a decent enough standard of living, and so that little Tommy can go to school and not have to pay extraordinary fees to profiteers.

[BrideAndGroomFilmsHD]

@scrufduf Without taxation, we’d be living under corporate tyranny, far beyond the current extent. Except that we wouldn’t be living at all, above pre-industrial levels.

The strength of our educational system is another topic, but I agree it needs reform. I was thinking the same thing earlier on: I've learned more from the internet than I did at school. That doesn't apply to everyone, however. School is a great thing for many reasons. Children need to experience other children etc...

[scrufduf]

@BrideAndGroomFilmsHD Who says the schools are even doing children any good?It's stone age thinking we have regarding education and I personally have learned more on my own studying on the net than I learned in 12 yrs in school so that argument is silly. Tommy doesn't deserve any of my wealth just like I don't deserve any of his relations wealth. This is the fundemental problem I see with you position, you believe it is right to use the violence of the state to take what you see you 'deserve'.

[BrideAndGroomFilmsHD]

@scrufduf "you seem to think your needs cannot be met in the free market and you advocate state violence to achieve your ends"

What a bizarre statement.

The "free market" (what you misleadingly title it) could provide some services, but it's extremely inefficient, and costly, and has no beating heart, no conscience. It's based solely on extracting as much wealth as it can from people, and ends up hurting those that can't afford it the most.

[BrideAndGroomFilmsHD]

@scrufduf "What exactly would I be 'taking away' from people who rely on services?"

Everything they rely on? Surely you know this, and surely you're not saying that schools should be privatized, hospitals should be privatized etc etc? Is that what you're saying?

Has the notion of 'solidarity' been entirely driven out of your mind that you don't care if little Tommy across the street can go to school? If his single mother can't afford it, what happens to little Tommy? Please answer.

[BrideAndGroomFilmsHD]

@scrufduf And how would we have a free society if private interests controlled and ran social services, for profit. You said that centralized power is the biggest threat to the species. It's one of the biggest threats, I agree. Surely you can see, by now, that the system you're advocating doesn't work?

I don't think states are legitimate structures, but it's much better than what you're looking for.  Regulation is necessary to protect the vulnerable.

[scrufduf]

@BrideAndGroomFilmsHD I empathise with you, you seem to think your needs cannot be met in the free market and you advocate state violence to achieve your ends. Have you a thought for the people who don't agree? How do you know the free market cannot provide services? I would like to know where you gain the confidence to assert such a claim? Why do you believe the species is in danger? The biggest threat to the species is centralised power.

[scrufduf]

@BrideAndGroomFilmsHD I have very little knowledge of Friedman. What exactly would I be 'taking away' from people who rely on services? Are you equating that taking away with the wealth which is extracted from me? Is this cognative dissonance? What valid claim do people have to my wealth? Who owns you and your property? Do I have a valid claim if I don't have a job to your property? Is the criteria for having a valid claim,to be unemployed? That's some system your advocating there.