2012: The Beginning

The Machinery of Man Vs. The Machinery of Nature

with Terence Mckenna

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[bratfett]

i love the crazy pigtures

[Oen713]

@linuxguru1968 I just got why you "infered" that. Like i said before... thats the typical understanding of it. Linear consciousness. When speaking of God/Universe... time and space are a factor. Remember, im not talking about God as religion views it. Dont believe in that angry, jealous, wrathful, all loving GUY (people are misguided). Im talking about a definition very much different.

In anycase... from what I can tell... you'll find out. Just remember, always seek unbiasedly.

[Oen713]

"conciousness requires that their be bi-directions communication between the alleged "concious" entitiies." Not sure if I get that fully. I still dont see why communication is required. Understanding yes. You cant communicate with a bee (you can only influence its behavior but it is still very much conscious no?. Awareness is all I believe is needed for the classification.

But about the subjectivity of it... Agreed.

[linuxguru1968]

@Oen713 I agree. Conciousness is totally subjective. Turing once said that if a person could sit at at teletype and commuicate with a computer and they were convinced that another human was at the other end, his test was fofilled. But, to infer conciousness requires that their be bi-directions communication between the alleged "concious" entitiies. Thats al I am saying.

[Oen713]

@linuxguru1968 Communication doesn't define consciousness. How do you communicate with something that exist THROUGH space and time via words? But I do get your point, our definition of consciousness is definitely a linear time line based one. But words can be semantical... Im just saying its a TYPE of awareness. All of this (life/existence) being created for the soul purpose of experience. "Universe experiencing itself subjectively". Thats why everything in this matrix exist.. everything.

[linuxguru1968]

@Oen713 Perhaps. But, if the "consiousness" is something you cannot communicate with, is it really consiousness at all?

[Oen713]

@linuxguru1968 My definition of "God consciousness" is not at all the same as mans conscious thought (which is what most take it as). "God"/Universe doesn't experience time the way we do (time being relative). I say its both because looking at creation from a linear time line is fundamentally flawed.

Hard to explain here, anyways, I "know" one day youll see my point of view. Your apparently a seeker of truth yourself. Probably sooner than you think :).

[linuxguru1968]

@Oen713 Thats your opinion. But, what I maintained was that because things happen does not mean that a concious entitiy put it into motion. Your words "reason/purpose" imply conciosness which you call the "God Mind". You might be right or wrong. But, just because evolutions seems to lead to more "complexity" doesnt PROVE a concious entity started it all.

[Oen713]

@linuxguru1968 negative. Its both a pull and a push. Theres the truth about the "God mind" your ignoring. Evolution is not without its reason/purpose.

[ClVlLlZED]

very interesting, hope to see more videos like this one.