Messianic Niagara - How were people saved before the coming of the Messiah?

Part 2 of 2. Torah-submissive Believers are usually met with objections from other Believers. A common objection is "we don't have to keep the Law, because we have Jesus!" The implication is that the people before the coming of the Messiah were not saved by grace through faith in the atoning sacrifice of Messiah. Is this true? Was there a previous way of salvation? Is it possible that the people of faith before the coming of the Messiah were still saved through Messiah?

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[zealotforhim]

Words n phrases in ur studies, like influncers,legal status,proselytes,legally jewish, jewish status,sons of Abraham, law interchanged with Torah.

To a Torah Movement proponent, If you say" we promote the torah several things are being implied

1) I promote the whole word of God

2) I promote the 613mitzvah

3)I promote the Pentateuch

christians say we dont promote tora as torah movement does, they mean:

1) legalism,Judaism,

TM conclude we oppose word of God but is a a bias twisting of terms

[MessianicNiagara]

@zealotforhim I'm not really sure what you're saying in any of these comments.

[MessianicNiagara]

@mtcanz: We respectfully disagree with your understanding of the passages you brought up. You can visit the studies section of our website to learn how we interpret those passages and more.

[zealotforhim]

interesting , I have read your slant on Gal 3 & seemingly the input of words, phrases and perspectives seem somewhat, bias,& truly caters to the true message,mandate of your movement, which is Torah or "law" keeping. Torah (the whole word of God)keeping,should not be biasly used interchangeably as your group seems to do, keeping God's word is essential & key to the christian life, but promoting law mitzvah keeping is altogether different n ur true agenda as your site clearly portrays.

[mtcanz]

part III

...and can only be cast by Him.

The only way we can be righteous is for Him to live in us, casting His shadow through us. "For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh; on account of sin. He condemned sin in the flesh that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk after the flesh, but after the Spirit" (Rom 8) That requirement has been fulfilled.

Shalom

[mtcanz]

part II

The law was temporary - added because of transgression UNTIL the seed (Messiah) should come (Gal 3:19).

Most importantly, the law is the shadow - Messiah the substance. Our focus should always be Messiah. To try to imitate the law is like seeing the shadow of a doggie on the wall and thinking we are doing the same thing the dog is doing if we can contort our hands into a hand-puppet that casts a similarly shaped shadow. We cannot. That shadow is Yeshua's alone (cont....)

[mtcanz]

If one wishes to keep the Sabbath - wonderful. If one imposes it upon another as a necessity, that's going further than what the scriptures say. So much of what is said in the video is very, very good, but the mistake (as I see it) comes if we say because law covenant saints are saved the same way as new covenant believers (which is true), that means our relationship to the law is the same. It is not. We are not under it -- they were (Rom 6:14). (cont...)

[beaconblue14]

what about human beings that never had the priveledge of hearing the law? what about CHINA prior to the existence of the Jewish law? do that burn in hell?

[ONErighteousNESS]

POWERFUL VIDEO BROTHER...keep preaching the SOUND DOCTRINE!! I'm in Toronto....i burning to street preach...walk like the apostles...i'm currently going through the FIRE of HIS LOVE...it BURNS literally...but the Lord AFFLICTION IS HIS MERCY!! Psalm 119 Grace (God divinely opening our eyes) and Peace (God's, NOT man's) Blessings

[ResponseSBD]

It is evil and sin to transgress the comandmends.Y´shua is messiah.