Good Learner, Bad Learner

How to learn, and not learn, to speak Japanese

Category:

Film & Animation

Tags:

• Japanese
• nihongo
• 日本語、外国語
• Good
• Learner
• Japan
• language
• learning

[TheGaslightHorror]

tanoki, you are utterly, utterly missing the point. This is a video which indicates the right attitude to learning.

FYI the guy who posted this (appearing as bad learner) is sickeningly fluent, and I am sure, well aware of any small mistakes the good learner makes.

[PoweredButchZ]

Sounded like "ja" to me.

I've found the best ways to learn Japanese are the ones that keep you producing a lot of new output, written and spoken. If you output newly learned Japanese all the time then it doesn't matter what anybody says about your methods. You're doing alright. Forget the video if it distracts from the point. The point is that the good learner is outputting what he's heard or read and the bad learner is not. For example, one thing he could do is speak along with his kanji book.

[Rhyperiority]

I actually quite liked the video. It's just more of a putting what you know to use. And of course it's staged, it's a video, that's the point.

[susan658]

I am living and working in Japan and agree with tanoki: why must we conform to a stereotype of an idiot "entertainer"? I feel sorry for the creator of this video who obviously believes this. Further, the portrayal of helpful staff and enthusiastic children gives an unrealistic image of life in Japan. Finally, besides encouraging stereotypes and simply being annoying, this video also treats its viewers as idiots, belaboring its one point for five minutes as it does. No thanks.

[FermiAnyon]

Crap, tanoki1. Give the guy a break. I think it's pretty clear that the point of the video is it's much more effective a strategy to immerse yourself than to hang out with other ex-pats.

[magustg1]

Could you be any more unnecessarily pedantic?

[hapsap]

Mind you this is not an educational video.

It's made to show you how to act in Japan and how not to Act once you're there to study.

Its the thought that counts not the details.

So relax and enjoy.

[tanoki1]

3:59 The Good Learner misreads pretty basic kanji (yuuyake, or sunset). It is not a terrible mistake, since the word he mistook it for—yuuhi—also means sunset, but then he acts stupid again and tries to take the model ice cream.

4:07 It is strange to refer to a model ice cream as kakkou ii (cool).

4:35 This konnichiwa to the kids (I assume they are kids) in the back is okay, but again, too much of the stupid foreigner routine gets old fast.

[tanoki1]

3:46 The Good Learners Japanese fizzles out here. He starts by saying Moshi byouki nattara (If I get sick), and you would expect him to follow with something like its going to be your fault, but instead, his Japanese disintegrates into babble. Who knows what he said.

3:55 This stupid foreigner routine gets old fast. You dont have to be act the fool to be liked.

[tanoki1]

2:22 Why does the Good Learner feel the need to act like a retard?

2:33 This is a painfully unnatural exchange.

2:47 The Good Learner responds to his girlfriends (?) suggestion that his shoes are big by saying, Sanjuu senchi dake yo. (Theyre just 30 cm.) The problem is, he is using feminine language. He should have said Sanjuu senchi dake da yo. This will quickly become a habit.

3:10 Again, the nan tte iu attack.