Krishnamurti and Ramana Maharshi

Please go to this link... it explains what Ramana stated what is necessary in terms of effort to awaken in consiousness....https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150961432540057

The original, citing Ramana, is from "Silent Teachings & Sat-sanga" and reads as follows:
Questioner: You say that Association with the Wise (Sat-sanga) and service of them is required of the disciple.

Sri Ramana Maharshi: Yes, the first really means association with the unmanifest Sat or absolute existence, but as very few can do that, they have to take second best which is association with the manifest Sat, that is, the Guru. Association with sages should be made because thoughts are so persistent. The sage has already overcome the mind and remains in peace. Being in his proximity helps to bring about this condition in others, otherwise there is no meaning in seeking his company. The guru provides the needed strength for this, unseen by others.

Questioner: Is it necessary to serve the Guru physically?

Sri Ramana Maharshi: The Sastras (scriptures) say that one must serve a Guru for twelve years in order to attain Self-realization. What does the Guru do? Does he hand it over to the disciple? Is not the Self always realized? What does the common belief mean then? Man is always the Self and yet he does not know it. Instead he confounds it with the non-Self, the body, etc. Such confusion is due to ignorance. If ignorance is wiped out the confusion will cease to exist and the true knowledge will be unfolded. By remaining in contact with realised sages the man gradually loses the ignorance until its removal is complete. The eternal Self is thus revealed.

NOTE: In regards to "serving" the Guru for twelve years or otherwise, Sri Ramana, in the opening paragraphs of the same source relates the following:

This flow of power from the Guru can be received by anyone whose attention is focused on the Self or on the form of the Guru; distance is no impediment to its efficacy. This attention is often called Sat-sanga, which literally means 'association with being'. Sri Ramana wholeheartedly encouraged this practice and frequently said that it was the most efficient way of bringing about a direct experience of the Self. Traditionally it involves being in the physical presence of one who has realized the Self, but Sri Ramana gave it a much wider definition. He said that the most important element in Sat-sang was the mental connection with the Guru; Sat-sang takes place not only in his presence but whenever and wherever one thinks of him.
SOURCE: Silent Teachings & Sat-sanga. Sri Ramana Maharshi as found in "Guru" with preamble by David Godman.

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[samaz2u]

This is U.G. Krishnamurti not J Krishnamurti?

[kokoro88888]

@samaz2u the reference is to J. Krishnamurti.

[meghan42]

I would like to know where it can be found that Ramana said one must be in samadhi for 12 years? i have never heard this before .....

[kokoro88888]

@meghan42 Please read what I have added in the description... Thanks...

[saidas108]

This is the first time I've heard anyone say what I've long thought. I AM has become "thing" that is popular now and people think just as is articulated here. "I am perfect right now so I don't have to do anything." stops spiritual growth in its tracks. As I ask of these people sometimes, "If all that is required for Self-Realization is just to be as you are, then why isn't everyone just naturally enlightened?" The seed analogy is accurate.