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[lefterisiam]

συμφωνώ, και μάλιστα απόλυτα με το τελευταίο στιχάκι

ΖEITGEIST

"We are your problem but we can sell you the solution!"

ούτως ή άλλως τα Zeitgeist είναι γεμάτα κενα... (αλλά πολύ ελκυστικά/πειστικά μονταρισμένα...)

[Lakopa8]

As for the cities, we don't need TVP designs necessarily. They do have some very well put-together concepts, but most Zeitgeisters support renovation of old cities at least to a degree where TVP keeps away from that entirely. We don't know what the first city will look like or when it will be created. We are still growing, critical mass has not been reached yet. Once it has, then construction begins, and we show the world that our designs are in fact better than those of today.

[Lakopa8]

@globalzombietion I still have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Within TZM, there is totally unity. Our interactions with other groups may involve burning some bridges sometimes, if those groups are taking an anti-egalitarian stance like TVP did in a way.

Science is the solution, not the Venus Project. Z3 never said anything about TVP being the solution, and even if it were to, it's just a movie that shares a name with the Movement, not the manifesto of TZM in any way.

[Lakopa8]

@globalzombietion It isn't "debunked" by anyone at all. You want to talk about limited perception, how about how limited it is to call anything different than what you believe fascism, ESPECIALLY when you are acting in a fascist way. That's doublethink right there.

You support a hierarchy over egalitarianism.

You support political ideology over rationalism.

That's what fascism is about, a self-concerned hierarchy.

Hmmm, just like the market system and the profit motive.

[globalzombietion]

@Lakopa Yes I didn't debunk it because the video I gave you wasn't mine. Your objections about the computer evolution are debunked in the video I gave you but not by me because it's not my video. Do you remember what I told you about the limited perception? Just saying...

"What Jacques said in the past isn't what he believes now,"

"What Jacques believes doesn't change a damn thing, "

Then why are you assuming and claiming that he changed his mind if it doesn't matter what he believes?

[globalzombietion]

@Lakopa8 The fine details of your esoteric matters in the movement are not important. What I am pointing out is that this movement calls the world to unite and can't keep the unity within it's members. The ZM proposed the VP as a solution to the current establishment. Since the ZM and the VP are now separate entities I don't understand about which cities you are talking about. The cities are in the VP and the VP is no longer part of ZM and thus it's solution is not part of ZM. That's the failure

[Lakopa8]

@globalzombietion The divide between our two groups began with Roxanne Meadows getting all egotistical and started to try to control the direction of TZM. THAT was what caused it, as anyone who actually studied us before they started throwing wild claims would know. They would also know that TVP has always been opposed, so saying that we ditched to clean our hands or some shit is completely retarded.

What do you mean "failed'? We haven't even built the first city, how could be have failed yet?!

[Lakopa8]

@globalzombietion Again, I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

TVP and TZM do not NEED each other, we are just more efficient when we work together.

You didn't "debunk" anything. What Jacques said in the past isn't what he believes now, nor how things will go down. What Jacques believes doesn't change a damn thing, so haha now your "debunking" is "debunked."

We are unified entirely. TZM doesn't fight TVP, we just don't lay claim to each other, as we shouldn't.

[globalzombietion]

@Lakopa8 TZM & TVP become separate entities the minute the opposition started to increase against Fresco's ideas. This doesn't change the fact that until now the ZTM & TVP were walking side by side. The one was the call and the other the solution. If those behind ZTM were smart enough to figure out all these problems with our current system, then how they failed so miserably with their solution? Fresco's ideas were known long before the TZM and thus they are not the reason of the separation

[globalzombietion]

@Lakopa8 The 3rd movie present them as one entity because the one part is the awakening and the other part is the solution for after the awakening. Without the one you can't have the other. It doesn't matter what you believe about the evolution of computers, what I gave you here is what the founder of TVP believes. Anyway such arguments have already been debunked if you watched the video I gave you. Zeitgeist was supposed to unite the world and can't even retain unity within it's members