What are Liberals, or Conservatives?

Tell me.

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[GeoliphicMedia]

the original premise involved the role of the federal govt.

there is always a tenuous balance between the authority of state vs federal. liberal vs conservative federal authority. our supreme courts redefine that line constantly.

but 'conservatives' supported extreme executive authority under bush...the terms are no longer relevant.

you got it spot on, the words divide people with common goals.

most people use the label on others but protest it being used on them.

neo-cons/neo-liberals?

[whirlpoolzend]

5) Work, therefore to be able to say to every harsh appearance, "You are but an appearance, and not absolutely the thing you appear to be." And then examine it by those rules which you have, and first, and chiefly, by this: whether it concerns the things which are in our own control, or those which are not; and, if it concerns anything not in our control, be prepared to say that it is nothing to you.

From The Enchiridion by Epictetus

[whirlpoolzend]

4) Aiming therefore at such great things, remember that you must not allow yourself to be carried, even with a slight tendency, towards the attainment of lesser things. Instead, you must entirely quit some things and for the present postpone the rest. But if you would both have these great things, along with power and riches, then you will not gain even the latter, because you aim at the former too: but you will absolutely fail of the former, by which alone happiness and freedom are achieved.

[whirlpoolzend]

3)...But if you suppose that only to be your own which is your own, and what belongs to others such as it really is, then no one will ever compel you or restrain you. Further, you will find fault with no one or accuse no one. You will do nothing against your will. No one will hurt you, you will have no enemies, and you not be harmed.

[whirlpoolzend]

2)The things in our control are by nature free, unrestrained, unhindered; but those not in our control are weak, slavish, restrained, belonging to others. Remember, then, that if you suppose that things which are slavish by nature are also free, and that what belongs to others is your own, then you will be hindered. You will lament, you will be disturbed, and you will find fault both with gods and men...

[whirlpoolzend]

1) Some things are in our control and others not. Things in our control are opinion, pursuit, desire, aversion, and, in a word, whatever are our own actions. Things not in our control are body, property, reputation, command, and, in one word, whatever are not our own actions.

[whirlpoolzend]

My first response to this question is to generalise (if I may) and suggest Liberals are the cats and conservatives more akin to sheep...

[bobomcgraw]

Please leave that rhetoric behind.

Subjective does not entail choice, it entails personal belief or opinion.

Music is subjective because different people have different opinions on what is good or bad, but they don't have a choice as to what is good or bad.

[petmark81]

If it's subjective, it is by choice.

If a man speaks in the woods, and nobody is around, is what he said offensive?

[bobomcgraw]

You're just backtracking now, changing your argument now as it wasn't working before.

My argument is not that anything IS by choice it's that being offended is NOT by choice. They're not the same thing.

People can offend by choice or by accident, it makes no difference to my argument. However people that ARE OFFENDED are not offended by their own choice. That would be stupid, why would anyone choose to be offended?

As for who decides what's offensive, well it's subjective, it's a personal thing.