The road to theism, a case for a creator (well not really)

in this video, I will be defending the kalam argument and the teleological argument against teh attacks posited by Knowntje. I will not second Dr. Craig's assessment of these videos, but I will not exactly call them spectacular refutations of theism. in case you are wondering, Dr. Craig on his website called Knowntje's video Taking out the cosmological argument "deliciously bad"

and please forgive me if my arguments are very poor as I am operating WAAAY out of my "field". okay, I don't actually have a "field", but my viewers will know that I usually deal with arguments about new testament historicity, and I've never gone into the controversy whether there is a creator of the universe.

but the cosmological arguments make pretty nice supplements to the historical arguments.

I think I should note that the title of Knowntje's video is a bit misleading. knowntje doesn't actually present an argument against the design hypothesis, but merely gives an attempted refutation of an argument used in support of it.

now I didn't go into the scientific arguments for a beginning of the universe because the philosophical arguments (which are really mathematical arguments) establish with mathematical certainty that the universe began to exist if it does indeed exists.

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• atheism

[wilbert127]

Your argument against actual infinites fails. Hilbert's Hotel DOES NOT disprove an actual infinite at all, at best it disproves relationships between actual infinites. The absurdities of the hotel only arise in the context of two infinite sets: rooms and guests, and only then if the guests move rooms or leave or add more guests.

[migkillertwo]

So only one infinite set can exist at a time? Fine. So if there are an infinite amount of events, then there are two more infinite sets, namely of causes and effects. Causes cause effects, obviously. So these two infinite sets are related.

Nice try mr "wilbert"

[mafiagranny]

Did you even watch his video? You've basically distorted everything he's said.

[migkillertwo]

it's really because Knowntje almost incessantly contradicts himself.

[mafiagranny]

no he doesn't, he only seems to contradict himself becuase you didn't understand what he said.

[migkillertwo]

no, he contradicts himself.

in several videos he says "there was nothing before the big bang because time came into existence at the big bang. therefore "before the big bang" is logicall self contradictory".

however, in other, more recent videos he says that the big bang predicts no such thing.

[wilbert127]

@migkillertwo

that doesnt refute my criticism. Even if we grant infinite sets of causes and effects, this is not analogous to the absurdities of the Hilbert's Hotel example you cite. Hilbert's hotel is absurd because of the CHANGING relationship between guests and rooms. Unless you can make an analogy with causes and effects "moving" between events like guests between rooms, they are unrelated.

[bibledisproven55]

no its not , really dude get a physics lesson i think i commented on how stupid your comments are 4x

[evanmalmud]

how bout you talk not read for 9min straight....

and don't be liek don't watch my movie because i def barely got into it cause it sucked so bad

[ultradevon04]

this sounds more like a roud to deism.. . .how can you know anything beyond the universe was created by something. You have no idea what that something is and why would you trust the words or holy books when there are so many. Wouldn't a god that really gives a damn make sure we all got the same message.