Degradation of Kata Essense in Shotokan

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[soparamens]

degradation? do you understand what's the REAL objetive of kata? they are pretty useless as a combat technique themselves, no matter if they are "correct" or modified (karate kid III it's just fantasy haha) kata it's meaningless without your own understandig of karate, a mere sequence of choreographic movements... kata is training for the mind, no matter if you do a old or modern style, it's objetive is the same...

[charlesrmday]

you mean... degradation of the quality of the image... HA HA HA.

[MrBeiragua]

that most liked comment... It's sad to see karateka who thinks like this. That's the real degradation of the shotokan karate, to think that the original system of remembering and passing down the self-defence techniques, the kata trainning, is just a "choreography". Shotokan changed the kata and forgot the bunkai, and now all we do is jump around while punching and kicking, with an old man in a suit trying to see who was faster...

[deadmike2]

@dnumyar1234 but you cant compare it! a fight in a tournament is a long one, with a lot of movement. But in kata, its just block/counter in a way to kill the enmey with one punch. you cant do that in a tournament!

[dnumyar1234]

@Dharma73 Like they say, It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

[dnumyar1234]

A criminal is a breathing, thinking being & he uses his INTENT as power to harm others. He only has this power as long as he is able to THINK. Take out his brain & you take out the threat. How? by shutting him down...by destroying his ability to pursue his evil intentions...by destroying vital targets in his body until he can no longer harm you...and by being able to do all that....

[dnumyar1234]

We mention the word "violence" many times. But KATAs are not reflective of what real violence is. Merely punching & kicking against an imaginary opponent is simply not violent enough. REAL VIOLENCE is taking a knife in one's gut or throat. Being raped, mugged, or almost beaten to death is just a small portion of real violence. Those are the things that we must take into consideration in training. Violence is the result of INTENT TO KILL or DESTROY.

[dnumyar1234]

@Dharma73 it's funny that I like performing katas before, because I thought they are the "be-all-end-all" in self-defense, thinking that the more katas I master the more effective I will be in combat.Our sensei explained (in meticulous detail) the supposed applications of those katas. However, I learned after years of UN-learning katas that mastering just a few EFFECTIVE techniques aimed at vital targets is what really works. ("It is not daily increase but daily decrease" --Bruce Lee)

[dnumyar1234]

Again, it all boils down to what you have ingrained in the sinews of your being to enable you to utilize the inner strength within. More than likely, a boxer would react with a punch, a ju-jitsu man with a lock or grapple, a TKD man with a kick--depending on that person's training. Whatever, however, the bottom line is SURVIVAL.Training determines how a person reacts. This is one reason why an untrained person is often more effective than one who learned an impractical martial art.

[dnumyar1234]

@Dharma73 My friend, that is exactly my point! You have to become violence to violent people.We are all natural killers.Criminals don't need martial arts training to be effective in killing.All it takes is the will or INTENTION to kill.But, like you said, not everyone is raised with an understanding of real violence & how to use it in self defense, & that is exactly what combat training should address.Crushing the throat or busting the eyes to stop an attacker need no katas to perform.

[Dharma73]

@dnumyar1234 Honestly bro, where im from I grew up living in the streets/hood, not everyone but most people I ever knew where im from have just been naturally tough, I have ex-girlfriends who have fought harder than a lot of men, with and without any combatives training, the training doesnt make you an effective combatant, people just have it in them, without the other half, theres nothig. no amount of training in the world can help you if you dont have the right spirit to fight

[Dharma73]

@dnumyar1234 but the difference in views does make this interesting to debate. and btw, Katas were designed by the ORIGINAL authors with combat in mind where they fought in terms of life and death, our modern-day combatives will become the traditional arts of the past one day many years from now,the paradigm of thought will always change and sway back and forth