Q&A Exerpts/Snippets 26-04-2010 ABC

Here are some exerpts of Q & A screened on 26/04/2010.

The debate surrounded ANZAC, Gallipoli & treatment of Aboriginal service people.

I didn't have time to upload the whole thing so I just uploaded snippets of the debate that I thought were interesting.

Category:

Education

Tags:

• Australian
• Australia
• ANZAC
• War
• Gallipoli
• Germaine
• Greer
• Peter
• Cosgrove
• FitzSimons
• Henry
• Reynolds
• Alison
• Creagh

[bowers117]

why when talking about what is being 'taught' in schools do they not have a person who has actually recently completed their schooling or is actually still at school. They speak about the nationalisation of a generation in our schooling system in regards to the ANZAC legend, however it is the complete opposite.Throughout high school, there is a heavy focus of Indigenous Australian history in many subject such as; History, Geography, S.O.R, English and Legal.

[freedomandpeacesos]

@bowers117 As it should be, it is their land.

[MultiInternetfreak]

Bravo, Henry Reynolds - this current state of mind of some fellow Australian frankly has me baffled as to how a loss can become a win and how history is being rewritten for the sake of preserving nationalistic pride while ignoring the facts that will aid in future decisions of military force.

[freedomandpeacesos]

@MultiInternetfreak Well said. You will find that there is a reason for this manufactured history to pump up nationalism from past military involvement. Gillard is going to USA soon, what is the chances Australia will join another war front in the middle east. The old British imperialist media reels once declared that Australia would be one of its most valuable acquisitions. The oil wars continue and grow without a whimper from the people.

[MultiInternetfreak]

@freedomandpeacesos - Very true, when the Iraq war started i thought 'oh no whose next, Iran?', however Libya might very well become the next invasion as there is already a clear a present effort from the U.S. & U.K. to remove what they deem as a threat to democracy & freedom (as the case always is) along with accusations of dangerous weapons and hostility towards their own people (deja vu anyone?) and I'm sure much of the untapped oil will also make a hasty retreat. (we should not get involved)

[freedomandpeacesos]

@MultiInternetfreak I agree, Australia should not get involved, but as I said there is a reason for the madness. Australia uses past and present wars fought on foreign lands as a claim to sovereignty over the Indigenous lands. Remember that there was only two claims.....that of the Indigenous people and that of the Crown. Remember that Australia is supposedly made up of "subjects" of the "Crown"...something the Indigenous people have rejected from the very beginning of colonisation.

[cooljool1]

@freedomandpeacesos certainly isn't

[bowers117]

@freedomandpeacesos so what its not the Australian troops land? Technically it is their land just as much as it is the Indigenous Australians. Considering that the majority of those who have served in the Australian military were born in Australia.

[bowers117]

oops didn't mean to have two things that say the same thing be posted thought the first one wasn't posted.

[bowers117]

Why not have student who are completing or just completed their secondary education talk about this issue rather than transferred nationalists like Reynolds? I myself am just completing the HSC and it frustrates me that here are these people talking about what is supposedly being taught in schools. Honestly the issue is the reverse, with possibly too much emphasis on aboriginal history,potentially causing our education system of flipping from one extreme to the other.

[WildBillWu]

And in spite of some pre concieved notions that you already have, I DID learn about the history of aborigines at great length in school, more than about the ANZACs. And excuse the shit out of me if ANZAC day means more to me (and pretty much all other Australians) than some sad sordid little chapter in our colonial history. FUCKING SUE ME! But don't just sue me, sue the many other Australians that agree with me!

[WildBillWu]

I. will spell it out for. YOU. If you'd actually watched this Q and A, you'd see that he WAS very disrespectful to the memory of the ANZACs. He clearly DOESN'T appreciate the sacrifices made by the armed forces. That's why he was crudely disrespectful to the only two members of the armed forces that were there. He's a douchbag for trying to intertwine the history of the ANZACs and the history of the aborigines, when they are clearly seperate issues!

[WildBillWu]

WRONG! The paralles between Libya and Iraq are shallow and few. I'll let you in on one fundamental difference between Iraq 03 and Libya now. The Arab countries, Europe (including the French) are crying out for the States to intervene. Now the Americans are apprehensive. Can hardly blame them after the shit they copped after Iraq and Afghanistan from the likes of you. You people are what's wrong with Western civilization.

[freedomandpeacesos]

@stunsail It is hard to argue against your comment. But the governments do not help to correct this. And you can add the media in that as well. The governments and media have a lot of control over the populace and they know it. It takes leadership to change this myth and denialism, it is an illness. There has not been a national leader yet, only puppets who take advise from the wealthy to keep a job. I agree that the myth must end, the lies must end if there is to be any sanity on this land.