A Discussion with Gary Habermas, N. T. Wright, and Antony Flew

Westminster Chapel March, 2008. Gary Habermas, N. T. Wright, and Antony Flew speak on God, religion, atheism, the Bible, Jesus, and the controversy on Flew's book There is a God.

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oh boy is Antony Flew ok?

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@unprofessionalvids Antony Flew has since passed away.

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@cjs5432129

Actually, miracles can't be proven by science. A miracle is something that happens outside of normal scientific laws. (With this in mind, the slaying of Goliath wouldn't necessarily be a miracle).

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God has been so gracious as to provide solid, irrefutable evidence to believers and non-believers alike.

I PRAY THAT GOD WILL OPEN YOUR EYES TO SEE THE TRUTH AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cjs5432129]

At a different cable channel, underwater cameras showed pictures of ancient relics -particularly a large "chariot wheel" deep beneath the Red Sea. When traced back, the design of the wheel was identical to the chariots used in Egypt at around the time Moses' parting of the Red Sea occurred!

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And yes, the miracles in the Bible have been verified by both atheist (for objectivity) and theist (God-believing) scientists as true historical events. Events such as the Exodus from Egypt, David slaying Goliath, parting of the Red Sea, etc. were tested and researched using modern scientific methods. Watch "Secrets of the Bible" at Cable TV's "Discovery Channel".

[cjs5432129]

I would have to do all the experiments to come to that conclusion. Other than that, I take it on faith that all of the scientists who did the experiments and reviewed them and tested them are not lying to me. That is my point.

You cannot use the "scientific method" as a reason to make science as an authority of truth, simply because the only way to prove science as the truth is to use the "scientific method"! The logic is circular.

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Atheist Statement: "The scientific method is true because it works and because it is axiomatic (self-evident)."

Christian answer: Sounds a lot like faith to me. Who decides what is axiomatic? does the scientific method decide it? That makes it circular if it does. If not, then it is not scientific itself.

[cjs5432129]

The statement "The results of the scientific method should be followed" is unscientific because it is a value statement that does not get its authority from anywhere but itself.

[cjs5432129]

By what authority?

How will you prove using the scientific method does produce truth? Because it's "scientific"? Because science said so? Again, the question "By what authority does science have by proclaiming to be the truth than religion"?

[cjs5432129]

I mean you cannot state that science is an authority of truth simpy because it uses the scientific method. It's like saying "I therefore conclude that science produces truth because it uses the scientific method."

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Christian answer: Science does rely on an objective method, but by what authority does the "scientific method" produce truth? By what authority does science possess when it says we must believe science because it utilizes the "scientific method"?