@10ccalanarkush I dont listen to it often. I get bored by it. But it clearly pleasant to the ear and it doesn't cause the adverse reaction that Yoko Ono's singing causes people. I can only imagine that people like Yoko Ono's music for philosophical reasons, and the brain is very good at rationalizing(if you agree with all her points of views and her actions, you are way more inclined to convince yourself that you actually like this).
@10ccalanarkush Nope. Can you enjoy music from foreign cultures? Yes its pleasing to the ear. Music has no reason to exist, it really doesnt. But for some random reason we get pleasure from random arrangement and patterns in a way that is truly primal and inexplicable. Music is a product of our animal nature as much as eating, sex, and emotions. That is part of what we are as a living being. Certain things just dont sound good. I dont have an ear for most acoustic rock music.
@RealMandraque there is no such thing as 'objectively', god, have a little more critical sensibility than that. the pentatonic scale is fundamental to only western music. sure it's ubiquitous and universal, but it only exists peripherally in other cultures. just by being raised and existing in a western context you have a certain amount of cultural baggage with which you view things. which isn't 'objective' at all. why are you so opposed to the idea that you may be biased?
@10ccalanarkush ...the pentatonic scale is universal across cultures that never had cultural interactions yet reached the same universal notes. This isnt an accident. So, while there is no concrete right way to do it, all you can do is close your eyes and listen objectively. Doing so you realize yoko ono is absolutely terrible. If there was a point to her anti-music, some artistic merit, some sarcastic statement, maybe there would be some reverence from my part. But there isnt. Stop idolizing.
@10ccalanarkush Who made me the arbiter of what I say? Well me, thats what I though and I stand by it. And about the last question, it has nothing to do with internalized racism/sexism. I was actually pumped when she went on stage because I havent heard a lot of her music and I though it would be great. Look, music is something innate in human beings. There is no right way to do it, but all humans receive sounds the same way once you get past cultural barriers and what not. Thats why the ...
@longblackjimmy you're entitled to dislike whatever you wish, only please examine closely why you're doing it. if it's only a dislike of 'shrieking' or atonal singing, please be consistent in whom else you like. if you dislike yoko you have to similarly dislike b-52s, lydia lunch, kim gordon and a whole host of new wave shriekers. if you don't find a similar distaste for any one of these people, that raises disturbing questions about your perceptions of race and gender.
@10ccalanarkush What does femininity have to do with this? Just because she's a strong, independent woman, that means I have to love her singing or shrieking?
Wonderful!!!!!!! Oh YOKO!!!!
iggy5858 2 months ago
I am tired of listening singers looping their voices alive...too many people doing the same thing. Jaco Pastorius did it with his bass 35 years ago
11tube11 3 months ago
@10ccalanarkush I dont listen to it often. I get bored by it. But it clearly pleasant to the ear and it doesn't cause the adverse reaction that Yoko Ono's singing causes people. I can only imagine that people like Yoko Ono's music for philosophical reasons, and the brain is very good at rationalizing(if you agree with all her points of views and her actions, you are way more inclined to convince yourself that you actually like this).
RealMandraque 4 months ago
@10ccalanarkush Nope. Can you enjoy music from foreign cultures? Yes its pleasing to the ear. Music has no reason to exist, it really doesnt. But for some random reason we get pleasure from random arrangement and patterns in a way that is truly primal and inexplicable. Music is a product of our animal nature as much as eating, sex, and emotions. That is part of what we are as a living being. Certain things just dont sound good. I dont have an ear for most acoustic rock music.
RealMandraque 4 months ago
@RealMandraque there is no such thing as 'objectively', god, have a little more critical sensibility than that. the pentatonic scale is fundamental to only western music. sure it's ubiquitous and universal, but it only exists peripherally in other cultures. just by being raised and existing in a western context you have a certain amount of cultural baggage with which you view things. which isn't 'objective' at all. why are you so opposed to the idea that you may be biased?
10ccalanarkush 4 months ago
@10ccalanarkush ...the pentatonic scale is universal across cultures that never had cultural interactions yet reached the same universal notes. This isnt an accident. So, while there is no concrete right way to do it, all you can do is close your eyes and listen objectively. Doing so you realize yoko ono is absolutely terrible. If there was a point to her anti-music, some artistic merit, some sarcastic statement, maybe there would be some reverence from my part. But there isnt. Stop idolizing.
RealMandraque 4 months ago
@10ccalanarkush Who made me the arbiter of what I say? Well me, thats what I though and I stand by it. And about the last question, it has nothing to do with internalized racism/sexism. I was actually pumped when she went on stage because I havent heard a lot of her music and I though it would be great. Look, music is something innate in human beings. There is no right way to do it, but all humans receive sounds the same way once you get past cultural barriers and what not. Thats why the ...
RealMandraque 4 months ago
@longblackjimmy you're entitled to dislike whatever you wish, only please examine closely why you're doing it. if it's only a dislike of 'shrieking' or atonal singing, please be consistent in whom else you like. if you dislike yoko you have to similarly dislike b-52s, lydia lunch, kim gordon and a whole host of new wave shriekers. if you don't find a similar distaste for any one of these people, that raises disturbing questions about your perceptions of race and gender.
10ccalanarkush 4 months ago
@10ccalanarkush What does femininity have to do with this? Just because she's a strong, independent woman, that means I have to love her singing or shrieking?
longblackjimmy 4 months ago
@jacqueclaude Your point? Is there some law that says the original always has to be better than any cover?
longblackjimmy 4 months ago