When both candidates are owned by the same corporate interests is there really a choice? When we elect candidates based on promises and when in office they do the exact opposite of what they promised can we still call it a democracy? When politicians, corporations and law enforcement don't have to obey the same laws they impose on us can we still call it a republic? When we are constantly told what to do and what not to do can we still call ourselves free?
@hint0122 we would be able to look at the results and see that people are making informed decisions, just like today, we can see. clearly, that people are NOT well informed, and poll after poll conveys this ubiquitous ignorance.
I am NOT trying to brainwash everyone to be a leftist. I believe many conservatives would remain conservative, even if they studied. I just want people to be able to BACK UP their opinions with solid history and knowledge.
It's not about the LEVEL of education a person achieves-but what knowledge and understanding they receive. For a person to be an informed voter, the more history and political science they understand, the easier the job will be.
Ideally, we wouldn't even need kids to go to college to get this info- which SHOULD be taught in our k-12 system.
It isn't- to any acceptable degree.
Here is what Jefferson said:
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.
@hint0122 "not everyone in society needs to be well educated" Really? How then is that janitor supposed to be an informed voter if he doesn't know history? Even a janitor is a voter in a system of representative government with near universal voting rights.
Should a dishwasher be uneducated?
Again, how would he be able to perform his civic duties, in a representative republic, without knowing any history?
Our system depends entirely on an informed, educated electorate- that's why it's broken
what are you talking about? yes I am a capitalist since I like having and spending my money that i work for. not everyone in society needs to be well educated. should a janitor have a BA? should a dishwasher have a masters? When too many people have degrees and not the jobs to use them, you get nothing. It is not in my best Interest because we live in FREE society, where everyone has freedoms. I don’t care how fat you are, if you smoke or drink, nor should you care how fat I am.
@hint0122 "communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social"-MLK.
You are clearly a capitalist, and by your rhetoric, I judge that you have forgotten that life is SOCIAL. We live in a society. When everyone in the society is well educated, that benefits YOU
It is in YOUR selfish interest to see that our society is as well educated as possible
The same goes for health. It is in YOUR interest to help make sure everyone is as healthy as possible
First off, its not health care reform, its government taking over healthcare. my point is, I shouldn’t have to pay for someone elses health care when I don’t have any control or input over their well being. Should you pay for my health care when I eat out every day and drink and smoke? I pay for my inceance, which I control with eating right, not smoking, and exercising. You think education should be a right. Then I want to be a doctor, and I want you to pay for it.
When both candidates are owned by the same corporate interests is there really a choice? When we elect candidates based on promises and when in office they do the exact opposite of what they promised can we still call it a democracy? When politicians, corporations and law enforcement don't have to obey the same laws they impose on us can we still call it a republic? When we are constantly told what to do and what not to do can we still call ourselves free?
bob1234619 4 months ago
@hint0122 we would be able to look at the results and see that people are making informed decisions, just like today, we can see. clearly, that people are NOT well informed, and poll after poll conveys this ubiquitous ignorance.
I am NOT trying to brainwash everyone to be a leftist. I believe many conservatives would remain conservative, even if they studied. I just want people to be able to BACK UP their opinions with solid history and knowledge.
Have a nice day.
Life is the best!
tristramshandy3 1 year ago
so who would be the judge if someone is an informed voter?
hint0122 1 year ago
It's not about the LEVEL of education a person achieves-but what knowledge and understanding they receive. For a person to be an informed voter, the more history and political science they understand, the easier the job will be.
Ideally, we wouldn't even need kids to go to college to get this info- which SHOULD be taught in our k-12 system.
It isn't- to any acceptable degree.
Here is what Jefferson said:
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.
tristramshandy3 1 year ago
how high of an education do you need to vote? not everyone needs a masters
hint0122 1 year ago
@hint0122 "not everyone in society needs to be well educated" Really? How then is that janitor supposed to be an informed voter if he doesn't know history? Even a janitor is a voter in a system of representative government with near universal voting rights.
Should a dishwasher be uneducated?
Again, how would he be able to perform his civic duties, in a representative republic, without knowing any history?
Our system depends entirely on an informed, educated electorate- that's why it's broken
tristramshandy3 1 year ago
what are you talking about? yes I am a capitalist since I like having and spending my money that i work for. not everyone in society needs to be well educated. should a janitor have a BA? should a dishwasher have a masters? When too many people have degrees and not the jobs to use them, you get nothing. It is not in my best Interest because we live in FREE society, where everyone has freedoms. I don’t care how fat you are, if you smoke or drink, nor should you care how fat I am.
hint0122 1 year ago
@hint0122 "communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social"-MLK.
You are clearly a capitalist, and by your rhetoric, I judge that you have forgotten that life is SOCIAL. We live in a society. When everyone in the society is well educated, that benefits YOU
It is in YOUR selfish interest to see that our society is as well educated as possible
The same goes for health. It is in YOUR interest to help make sure everyone is as healthy as possible
We live in a society
tristramshandy3 1 year ago
First off, its not health care reform, its government taking over healthcare. my point is, I shouldn’t have to pay for someone elses health care when I don’t have any control or input over their well being. Should you pay for my health care when I eat out every day and drink and smoke? I pay for my inceance, which I control with eating right, not smoking, and exercising. You think education should be a right. Then I want to be a doctor, and I want you to pay for it.
hint0122 1 year ago
@hint0122 if you are trying to make some kind of profound point, you FAIL miserably. Have a great day.
Viva Montaigne!
tristramshandy3 1 year ago