Re: Are there Apostles and Prophets today?

Let's look at what the Bible says on the issue.

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[ashqelonsunset]

"revelation" is not only from God? Then "what spirit" is it from then? Or are you implying a person who "relayed it" fom God? What can any person say or do I cannot? Considering the word in Phil 4:13. If we all walk in the Holy Spirit and hear Gods' voice clearly then are we all prophets apostles then/ Or we then walk inthe capacity "like" one yet we do not need the "label" because I have spoken and done anything anyone in modern day that those who call themselve prophet apostle yet I am NOT 1

[SaudaraLink]

@chazzy288 Read carefully. Paul did not fulfill the requirement of having been with Christ from the time of John the Baptist. But he didn't have to fulfill the requirement because he wasn't one of the Twelve. The requirement was to take Judas place. Paul indicates that he was not one of the Twelve in I Cor. 15 when he says that Christ appeared to the Twelve after His resurrection before appearing to Paul.

[chazzy288]

@SaudaraLink you also have to remember that the Apostles had to be with Jesus and had to witnness his ascension. The Prophets and the Apostles are the foundation and Jesus is the Chief Corner Stone of the church. The church was established already and has no need to be re-established. When you write a new book that can be added to the bible and when you possess all of the sign and wonders that authenticated the true apostles please let me know. Gods word is quite clear on this matter.

[chazzy288]

@SaudaraLink The basis is the word of God. Paul's admits that he was the least of the apostles. But my question is how did you miss the fact that Jesus appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus. He saw the risen saviour and witnessed the ascension of The Lord. Also Paul possessed all of the signs and wonders that the initial 12 Apostles possessed. After Judas betrayed Jesus, scripture records that they prayed for God to show them who shall take the place of Judas and the lots fell on Mathias.

[SaudaraLink]

@chazzy288 What passage are you referring to for qualifications for an apostle? Acts 1-- qualifications for the 12-- to replace Judas, perhaps? (that Paul did not fit.) Christ gave the gift of apostles, plural AFTER the ascension. Various people are described as apostle in scripture, Barnabas, Saul, Timothy, Silas, Apollos. Apostles planted church and established them in the teaching of Christ. If there is no gift of apostleship, what Biblical basis is there for missionaries having authority?

[chazzy288]

@SaudaraLink So you're saying, obviously, that there are apostles today; correct? So other than the complete Word of God, what else are you saying that we are missing and need? The scriptures are quite clear on the office and the qualifications of an Apostle or Prophet; according to scripture you and others in today's church making this claim simply do not qualify. Those that are calling themselves apostles are commiting the act of heresy and have failed miserably at searching the scriptures.

[SaudaraLink]

@chazzy288 We need not only the Bible, but we also need the things the Bible says we need. Would you say we don't need love because we have the Bible? Would you say we don't need the Holy Spirit because we have the Bible? No, according to the Bible, we need love and the Spirit. Having the Bible does not do away with our need to have what the Bible teaches we need. My case in this video is clearly explained from the Bible. Feel free to look up the references.

[chazzy288]

@SaudaraLink Where are you getting this mess from? Certainly not scripture. We have everything that God wanted us to have in his revealed Word.

[SINGUNTO]

The bad translating of the KJV. Luk 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and (sent) them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come. The word (SENT) in the Greek:apostellō: to order (one) to go to a place appointed send away, dismiss to allow one to depart, that he may be in a state of liberty to order one to depart, send off to drive away. Some were (Special messengers) as Peter etc. and others were like us just sent people