One Nation Under Gobligok

Two videos in two days. Wow. And I look insane in one of the thumbnails.

Response to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNWucb907LM

References includes the U.S. Treasury website, historical documents and readily-Googleable news articles.

In the Great Juju We Trust.

Category:

People & Blogs

Tags:

• in
• God
• we
• trust
• Jesus
• Christ
• Heaven
• Christianity
• Christian
• Bible
• church
• hell
• one
• nation
• under
• atheism
• atheist
• godless
• heathen
• nonsense
• stupidity
• Carlos
• Bea
• 9th
• Circuit
• Gobligok
• Great
• Juju
• on
• the
• Mountain

[Kbiomech]

Why not?

It is.

A nation founded on liberty would never ask for or demand any pledge of allegiance, as the very concept of a liege is against liberty.

[MaikUniversum]

"In God we trust, but not too much."

[tubevideoguy762]

@LibertyIsNotGiven

so i'm just trying to understand some of your ways of thinking since they seem very similar to my own you're pro gun rights including unrestricted carrying of guns and believe religion is as much a bad thing as it is good also if my understanding of your words is correct you'd be in favor of legalizing the narcotic drug market in order to regulate it. all of this makes sense.

[ThePsychoticnut]

@NoTrueScotsman You can't argue about its purpose or originator. Its out there for anyone to discover if you wish to look. As far as there being a need for a certain amount of national identification and cohesion I couldnt disagree with you more. Such an idea originates in feudal Europe. National identification and cohesion is only necessary for keeping slaves from revolting. Freemen need nothing more than the mutual benefit that naturally exists from the division of labor.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

aspect = suspect

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

When I was in HS, people were assigned to detention for not saying the pledge or for refusing to stand and salute during the national anthem. Your "as long as" was the case for me, and I aspect it is for many.

And even if the pledge isn't compulsory, the state it pledges to is.

[NoTrueScotsman]

@LibertyIsNotGiven - To me, as long as saying the Pledge isn't compulsory, it isn't fascistic. When I was in HS, I didn't say the Pledge precisely because of the phrase "under God," which I saw even back then as a violation of the First Amendment's establishment clause, and I suffered no repercussions for this. If "Minersville v. Gobitis" hadn't been overturned, I might feel differently.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

"...is often a matter of opinion."

I'd nominate the point at which one says "I pledge allegiance to..." as a good qualifier.

[NoTrueScotsman]

@ThePsychoticnut - I'm sure that discussions of what is or is not "fascist" will always be with us. But in all countries, a certain amount of national identification and cohesion is needed so that the population won't completely splinter into mutually hostile warring enclaves. At what point this need is taken to extremes and becomes fascism is often a matter of opinion.

[ThePsychoticnut]

@NoTrueScotsman the Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by an espoused socialist wanting to indoctrinate children to the ways of a strong centralized government which is vital for a socialistic dictator to rule efficiently. That is why he used the words "One nation indivisible looks like it worked on you.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

The first four words earn it the F-bomb. Not that F-bomb, the other one, though both might apply in the proper context.

[Kbiomech]

@MaikUniversum

In God We Trust. All others pay in gold :)