Nothing from nothing

The claim that "nothing can come from nothing" is often used to claim that the universe then needs a cause and the big bang needs some form of an explanation. I go into detail about why this phrase is invalid, why one cannot say "nothing can come from nothing". We respond properly, mentioning that no one claims anything did come from nothing, but even if the straw man attack was valid, it's absurd to assert that the universe needed a cause in the first place.

Category:

Science & Technology

Tags:

• Big bang
• universe
• creationism
• god
• inflation
• refutation
• nothing
• science

[Killua2001]

Listen dude, I tried PMing you, but apparently you're 'contact blocked', so whatever. I've got to do some more programing shit, and can't waste more time here. If you're actually interested in having a primer on what physics says, PM me and I'd be happy to help, but for now, you're saying a lot of stuff with little real understanding of the underlying concepts. I cannot teach you basic concepts regarding physics with 500 characters.

[Killua2001]

@robZzdaboss

How so? The view the earth is spherical is wrong, it isn't, it's closer to an oblate spheroid, but even that's slightly inacurate, newest mapping shows that the earth, if anything, is pear shaped (although very very slightly). Asimov's quote deals with the improvements of our understanding of the universe... we may be wrong, but we're less wrong today than we were yesterday. Unless, of course, you believe calling the earth spherical is as wrong as calling it flat.

[robZzdaboss]

@Killua2001 "when people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together."

this has to be one of the dumbest quotes ive ever seen

[Killua2001]

@TheJunaidStuff

... *sigh* listen, again, I cannot explain just how wrong you are in 500 characrers. It's too small a space to properly discuss Maxwell's equations and how they relate to the geometry of spacetime, all I can say is 'you're wrong, you're saying nonsense, and clearly have no grasp of the underlying concepts', but to actually elaborate on that requires a lot more discussion than youtube allows. Either PM me, or pick up a couple physics and math textbooks.

[TheJunaidStuff]

@Killua2001 : my expansion to your quote "Einstein will always be right, for the universe which has a cosmic speed limit, presence of elements which can or are defying cosmic speed limit will leave Einstein with a scale that 'Einstein is partially right'." hey what do you think about this "all frequencies damp & approach to zero but can never be Zero"

[Killua2001]

@TheJunaidStuff

Let me quote Asimov. "when people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together."

Einstein's theory will always be correct, in the sense that Newton's laws are always correct... just only in the scale that they're meant to apply.

[Killua2001]

@TheJunaidStuff

What? E^2-p^2c^2=m^2c^4 has held up for over 100 years since it was first (esentially) detailed in Einstein's original 1905 paper, and has withstood the test of time. The issue isn't 'how long will it be correct for', it's 'on what SCALES is it correct'. Just like E=1/2mv^2 is correct, but just for particular scales. Einstein's mass-energy equivilence tends to be correct over a much more general range, but falls apart over very very small small timescales.

[Killua2001]

@TheJunaidStuff

Stop assuming you know what I'm talking about if you have no background, at all, in the subject. You're making a lot of tall claims, but it's kinda like saying "I don't trust a neuro-surgon to do neuro-surgery because I feel they lie. Despite having no background in neuro-biology".

You aren't approaching the issue candidly, you're approaching the issue from a very particular mindset, and then assume you know all the physics without actually showing knowledge.

[TheJunaidStuff]

@Killua2001 : and how long is that correct for, gimme an expiry date or a validity date, which will say this equation is valid upto x date or give me a life time warranty of equation like 1.0+1.0 = 2.0 will always be valid.