Sakuraba vs The Gracie's

Kazushi Sakuraba vs The Gracies

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[lorenz87shamrock]

saku is too smart and open mentally....the gracies focalized too much on takes down and trying to grappling...but saku is a skilled wrestler so plays the same game

[Lordofthenipplerings]

@apostolosguitar It was a real tap. Sak had already given up. If it was a fake tap, that just makes him a cheater. The fight continued because Royce refused to let go and decided to continue grappling him on the ground. The refs ignored it too. So its Royce's fault for being overly aggressive. The fight dragged on, Royce ran out of gas and lost. Sakuraba was stronger and Roy came back by resorting to steroids. A common tale in MMA. Royce was 170 natural. He bulked up to 188 with steroids.

[apostolosguitar]

@Lordofthenipplerings Ιt is true that he did something like fake tap. But the truth is that Sakuraba was superior to all of them even in the next fight Royce won but he was found positive in steriods and he was banned for 6months. I believe that dominating the whole family makes you something you dont need something more. Anyway the difference between us is that you are talking as a Bjj fighter and me as a Judoka. Keep on good work.

[Lordofthenipplerings]

@apostolosguitar But that was years after the Gracies showed off BJJ to the world. By then, Royce had already suffered his first non-win back in 1995 because people were already incorporating BJJ into their systems. If you watch the fight closely between Sak and Royce. Sakuraba actually tapped and gave up, but Royce and the ref chose to ignore it. People like Sakuraba became what they are because of the Gracies. By installing BJJ into their art.

[apostolosguitar]

@Lordofthenipplerings for your information althought just search for atemi waza and you ll find out that jiu jitsu and judo have kicks and punches and anything too... i dont know why you thing they dont maybe you dont have good dojos there and they just show the olympic view of judo. Judo and jiujitsu is a whole system where you can build from it unlimited tactics , thats what Helio undestood and took advantage!

[apostolosguitar]

@Lordofthenipplerings There are many dojos out there who just dont need to compite in TV tournaments because they dont need to promote their art and tactics its just as simple as that :)

[apostolosguitar]

@Lordofthenipplerings well as I can see a Japanese guy smashed the whole family..and even kimura smashed the father of Bjj who i have much respect. Gracie just sell something nothing more , they sell it to you , they are a company who promote their tactics nothing more my friend. If you want you payd if and you get it that simple.Just dont forget most of the gracies are black belts in judo too ;) and dont be so sure that a judoka or a jiujitsu fighter is so easy to get...

[Lordofthenipplerings]

@apostolosguitar BJJ is an offshoot of Japanese Jiujitsu. But it was the Gracies who turned it into the most influential style today. It wasnt Judo or Jiujitsu that was challenging all martial arts styles and claiming it could win. It was the Gracies who did that. Most Judo or Jiujitsu guys would take a punch to the face or a knee to the nose and call it quits. Gracies showed the globe that so long as they were persistent about that submission, they would win. Until everyone began adopting BJJ

[apostolosguitar]

@Lordofthenipplerings Yes thats because of promotion , we were talking about a technic wich just havent invented in bjj to tell the truth nothing have been invented in Bjj only a system , not technics , techincs are just physics and human body mechanics thats simple there is no new birth just an evolution in tactics and not even to these... To finnishthis conversation I have respect to the Bjj tactics but nothing new techically invented totally nothing proven with facts.

[Lordofthenipplerings]

@apostolosguitar There is still very little pankration or none at all in MMA. Today, MMA is mainly inspired BJJ. Thats where the modern inspiration is derived from. Everything else is hindsight.