Pershing M 26 "From Hell" of the Brussels' Royal Army Museum is going out of the garage. Pershing M26 "From Hell" du Musée Royal de l'Armée de Bruxelles sort du garage.
@SMGJohn with the fuel efficiency of early turbines, and the German fuel situation, plus the operational demands of a tank and the fact that most tanks were taken out by air power, that'd actually help the allies, not hurt them.
@redreaper2020 The overall design is good of the panther. However the Panther was supposed to have a turbine engine and a 88mm in 1945/1946 making it far superior then any allied tanks. Not just that the upcoming Panther 2 which was going to be mass produced already in 1944 would be equipped with a 88mm or a 105mm cannon. Also would be using a turbine engine and it would be heavier armored.
The US should have built a couple thousand fewer Shermans and instead built a couple thousand more of these. It was the best US design to see service. Had they installed the Caterpillar diesel that was tested in the Sherman it would have been a very safe and capable machine and not underpowered. There is a really good recent book called "Death Traps" by a tank maintenance officer in WWII. He had positive and negative comments on the US stuff and German stuff. All of them had their limits.
@redreaper2020 Exactly. The panther tank is VERY overrated. The front armor wassent that great against the 17PDR and 90mm. The side armor was very thin, and the tall height.. The panther also had a very bad safety record in the wehrmacht, a very high chance of catching fire or ammo cookoff's
Also the panther had TERRIBLE reliability
In panther devisions amongst non rookie tank crews, there was a saying. "It takes 4 panthers to kill 1 sherman. 3 Broke down on the way and 1 to take the shot"
@Shchetchynianin The 90mm was far superior to the 75 in optics set, range, power, and accuracy. The Panther was very tall, overengineered, and unreliable. It was a good tank, yes, but it wasn't as good as some people say.
@Shchetchynianin The pershing used a shitty engine--when we stuck a decent engine in it, it became the M-46. It had also better frontal armor, it had respectable speed, and didn't have a final drive, track, and transmission that broke the fuck down every 250km or jammed up solid when hit by even mg fire.
As for the gun, the 75mm would usually penetrate the frontal armor, of a T-34/85. The Pershing's 90mm went through the front of a T-34/85, through the crew, engine, bulkhead, and OUT THE BACK!
@redreaper2020 oh come on! I just listed arguments for superiority of panther. Which is a predecessor of modern western MBTs, not m-26...As I said - M-26 had far inferior speed, range, engine power - not to mention the canon itself...
@Shchetchynianin No other medium tank (it's classified as a heavy but was designed as a medium; it just had a shitty engine) was comparable with the M-26 Pershing except the Panther, which was inferior.
that sound 0.o fuck yeah =P
corporaal1 2 weeks ago
@redreaper2020 This would happen if the industry wasn't crippled. The Germans would have the upper air superiority too. Because of jet fighters
SMGJohn 4 weeks ago
@SMGJohn with the fuel efficiency of early turbines, and the German fuel situation, plus the operational demands of a tank and the fact that most tanks were taken out by air power, that'd actually help the allies, not hurt them.
redreaper2020 4 weeks ago
@redreaper2020 The overall design is good of the panther. However the Panther was supposed to have a turbine engine and a 88mm in 1945/1946 making it far superior then any allied tanks. Not just that the upcoming Panther 2 which was going to be mass produced already in 1944 would be equipped with a 88mm or a 105mm cannon. Also would be using a turbine engine and it would be heavier armored.
SMGJohn 4 weeks ago
The US should have built a couple thousand fewer Shermans and instead built a couple thousand more of these. It was the best US design to see service. Had they installed the Caterpillar diesel that was tested in the Sherman it would have been a very safe and capable machine and not underpowered. There is a really good recent book called "Death Traps" by a tank maintenance officer in WWII. He had positive and negative comments on the US stuff and German stuff. All of them had their limits.
kblackav8or 1 month ago
@redreaper2020 Exactly. The panther tank is VERY overrated. The front armor wassent that great against the 17PDR and 90mm. The side armor was very thin, and the tall height.. The panther also had a very bad safety record in the wehrmacht, a very high chance of catching fire or ammo cookoff's
Also the panther had TERRIBLE reliability
In panther devisions amongst non rookie tank crews, there was a saying. "It takes 4 panthers to kill 1 sherman. 3 Broke down on the way and 1 to take the shot"
F4Wildcat 3 months ago
@Shchetchynianin The 90mm was far superior to the 75 in optics set, range, power, and accuracy. The Panther was very tall, overengineered, and unreliable. It was a good tank, yes, but it wasn't as good as some people say.
redreaper2020 3 months ago
@Shchetchynianin The pershing used a shitty engine--when we stuck a decent engine in it, it became the M-46. It had also better frontal armor, it had respectable speed, and didn't have a final drive, track, and transmission that broke the fuck down every 250km or jammed up solid when hit by even mg fire.
As for the gun, the 75mm would usually penetrate the frontal armor, of a T-34/85. The Pershing's 90mm went through the front of a T-34/85, through the crew, engine, bulkhead, and OUT THE BACK!
redreaper2020 3 months ago
@redreaper2020 oh come on! I just listed arguments for superiority of panther. Which is a predecessor of modern western MBTs, not m-26...As I said - M-26 had far inferior speed, range, engine power - not to mention the canon itself...
Shchetchynianin 3 months ago
@Shchetchynianin No other medium tank (it's classified as a heavy but was designed as a medium; it just had a shitty engine) was comparable with the M-26 Pershing except the Panther, which was inferior.
redreaper2020 3 months ago