Shannon Miller - 1994 Worlds AA - Vault 1

Shannon Miller - 1994 Worlds AA - Vault 1

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[kerstenfanatic]

Yeah a 9.6 sounds about right.

[kerstenfanatic]

This vault getting a 9.8 was a joke. With a badly piked body in the air and a huge hop on the landing she should get nothing higher then a 9.6.

[rfillangi]

@raichmaneuvers I disagree about Miller's bar set compared to 1996. Here she had the nice transition from low to high at the start and the 1.5 and down to the low bar is much prettier than the swing back to low bar she had in 1996.

[raichmaneuvers]

@dbhmr also would add even if you drop Milo's beam to a 9.7 and keep Miller's bar at a 9.85 Milo would still beat Miller based on the right vault and floor scores which I posted. Anyway like I said Dina should have won the AA that year anyway. Between Milo and Miller though Milo should have come out ahead though.

Would like to add too Miller's bar set was no different than her 96 one which was only score mid to high 9.7s when she hit in Atlanta. Milo's routines were far weaker by Atlanta.

[raichmaneuvers]

@dbhmr Khorkina and Kochetkova IMO had better bar routines and they got a 9.825. That is why I put Miller at 9.8. The only handstand Khorkina didnt hit was on her 1.5 pirouttes.  Anyway I never said Khorkina deserved all her bars titles either.

[dbhmr]

@raichmaneuvers Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I agree with all your Miller scores, except I would keep her 9.85 on bars (they didn't pay much attention to handstands in this code, or Khorkina never would have seen a bar title, amongst numerous others), just think you're being more generous with Milo on bars and beam than you were with Miller.

[raichmaneuvers]

....so basically the floor and vault difference should clearly have been more than the beam and bars. If you say Milo should win if both hit this year than she should win over Miller as it is as both made similar mistakes. Anyway I would have scored:

Vault- Milo 9.8, Dina 9.7, Miller 9.65

Bars- Dina 9.825, Miller 9.8, Milo 9.75

Beam- Miller 9.850, Dina 9.825, Milo 9.75

Floor- Milo 9.85, Dina 9.85, Miller 9.7

So Dina should have probably won over both anyway, but Milo over Miller for sure.

[raichmaneuvers]

@dbhmr At the 94 Team World Milo got a 9.9 on beam. That is the score she would have gotten hitting her beam routine around. So if you take half a tenth for the hop and a tenth for the side sumi you get a 9.75. On bars Milos releases have more amplitude and Miller never hit handstands after 93. So 9.75 for Milo, 9.8 for Miller maybe. On floor Miller should have lost a tenth for her last pass mistake and her score should be lower there even hitting. Vault should be a huge difference.

[dbhmr]

@ants2876 Agreed--she improved greatly on this vault in 1995 and even more so in 1996, but this was a very weak and overscored vault. Scoring was so off throughout this championships, however.

[dbhmr]

@raichmaneuvers A 9.737 is still a bit high for Milo's beam set, and your bar assessment is way off. Milo was tight in her swing, had multiple form breaks, and took a huge step on her dismount. Miller totally hit her set and did probably her last good double layout off bars, and stuck it. A .025 difference, which is what your scores say, would have been outrageous.

Going off their performance, I still think Miller beat Milo; had they both performed perfectly, though, Milo should have won.

[raichmaneuvers]

Dina also should have beaten Shannon. Her beam was grossly undermarked and should have been right up with Shanon's score. Her bars was clearly better than Shannon yet got a lower score (9.825 to 9.850). Shannon has good form on bars and good difficulty and composition but was always short of her handstands after 83 and her swing was not as smooth. Dina's perfect 9.9 vaults should not have scored a full tenth lower than Shannon's crappy landings on a 10 vault.

[raichmaneuvers]

Lastly vault: Haha what a joke here. If Milo's average was a 9.812 than Miller's should have been a 9.7 or lower. There was no comparision here. Yet they got the same score.

So yes on beam Milo was gifted for her routine, but Miller was gifted on every other event and Milo undermarked on floor and maybe vault. Both made mistakes but Milo was the better gymnast this particular year and would have won if both hit so with both making mistakes Milo should have of course won as well.