8.b The Bible Does Not Tell Me So? Romans 1 continued, summary

Part 8.b of Bible study by Dr. John C. Holbert. Second of two clips on Romans 1, and summary of study. Here's what the Bible really says about including GLBTQ people in the church.
For more on this study:
http://gracklegallery.blogspot.com/2009/05/bible-does-not-tell-me-so.html

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[04ams]

Are you saying that since there are gay animals, it is acceptable to be gay? We live in a sinful world. Why would you think it wouldn't affect animals? I believe GOOD people do struggle with having desires for people of the same sex. Sin is horrible, and can really destroy a person. We are all sinful, but that is no excuse for just accepting it and assuming God does also.

[caguldi]

I hope that you will view the earlier clips in this series as well. I posted it in part because Dr. Holbert has helped me to consider people with whom I disagree with the loving kindness that is commended throughout the Bible. I agree that we are all sinful. I think Dr. Holbert was arguing against the idea that homosexual behavior is unnatural. I think that for some people heterosexual behavior would be unnatural while a faithful same sex relationship is a gift from God.

[clay56]

"This man is an egotistical false teacher. Stay away from him and his teaching."

Others all too likely said things along these lines about Martin Luther and the apostle Paul.

"Why does the bible contain not one single positive reference to homosexuality?"

The lack of favorable comment does not neccessarily mean our Lord is against it under all circumstances.

"In every instance it is condemned."

Not "every" instance since the Bible does not speak to all same gender relations such as marriage.

[Bubdog22]

This man is an egotistical false teacher. Stay away from him and his teaching. Why does the bible contain not one single positive reference to homosexuality? If it is part of God's creation one would think there would be a blessing of this somewhere. In every instance it is condemned.

[Actur86]

@SouthernSexxy This man is a seminary professor, and studies these things for a living as well as for growth of his relationship with God. I think you should watch all the videos beginning with gracklegallery. Challenging ourselves is how we grow physically, intellectually and spiritually. I ask only that you listen and think for yourself rather than taking what you have heard to be fact. If you maintain your beliefs so-be-it. I'll pray for you regardless, and I hope you'd do the same for me.

[LeaLeuchtend]

@RichardFriend48 You haven't listened to anything the man's been saying. The bible condemns several things as sinful that we no longer regard as sinful (= touching women who have their period). And excuse me, but as long as you haven't read the scripture in the original version (i.e. in Hebrew and in Ancient Greek), you can't even take the 'real' scripture literally, as you are obviously so keen on doing. See e.g. the translation mistake 'virgin Mary'.

[clay56]

Thanks VERY much for posting these videos!

[SouthernSexxy]

This man is a darn fool! Homosexuality is a perversion and God has declared that He will judge all Sodomites!

[JonnySerge]

Yes, he does. He has degrees in Biblical studies so of course he knows how to interpret the Bible correctly. This is the truth from the true and living God.

[JonnySerge]

Talk about you not knowing how to correctly interpret the Bible. The false doctrine has been taught for so long and it needs to stop, the condemnation of LGBTQ people has gone on for far too long. It doesn't condemn monogamous same sex relationships and Jesus (god incarnate) never said one single thing about homosexuality.

[Cr4zylem0ns]

I think that you would have to define what true means...does it mean that you think that all of the things in the Bible were okay and that they actually happened? If that is truth then most Christians (besides Fundamentalists) don't think that the Bible is true.

[RichardFriend48]

Talk about twisting scripture to make it say the opposite of what it is actually saying. It means what it says, even when it is not politically correct. Wrong is wrong and homosexuality is clearly wrong all through the Bible. Stop trying to justify it, when the Bible condemns it as sin!!!! God can forgive a homosexual if he repents, turns from it, but only if he turns from it. Stop twisting scripture!!!