Jogo do Pau

Jogo do Pau no Campeonato do Mundo de Karate Shukokai em Coimbra

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[Ronin2006x]

Sorry, but some times i dont have enough time to post here.

The main problem is doens´t matter what i can show you or the other guy. Some people think this martial things like a religion. It is so stupid the argument that Jogo do Pau came from silambam, but so stupid that propably me trying to take your thoughts out of a religious perspecty is also stupid.

Do you think is reasonable to think that the strongest millatary army of that time, with the bests fire weapons, the bests swords...

[Ronin2006x]

... the bests batle ships will discovery half world and get in India and copy silambam??? For what??? Perhaps people the Portugueses defeat military in India copy our methods, afterall we win that war. We conquer their citites, so... perhaps, just perhaps, our martial sistems where better them the autoctones ones.

If you can understand this i cannot explain you better than that.

Technically you re saying that Jogo do Pau has the same tecnich then silambam, but that is absurd...

[Ronin2006x]

...Such an afirmation just prove you dont have technicall knowledge of stick fighting, you can even see the diferences betweem the way both styles grab the stick or execute the rotation.

I have some pictures that you can easily find on internet with positions of 2 hand fencing, that are ancient then XIV Century but i dont now how to post them here.

If you do your homework you can find them also.

[bostafffighter]

The book you mentioned contains techniques about how to fight on horse and it deals on knightly combat not jogo do pau or any stick fighting method.The jogo do pau can hardly fight an armoured knight.Europe has its own fighting methos in pole arms,spears,pikes, jousting,irish stick fighting,cudgelling, quarterstaff, sword fencing, nova scrimia, savate, bare knuckle boxing, catch as can, greco roman wrestling etc but jogo do pau is not one of them.

[Ronin2006x]

I cannot admit that. Now you are just lying. I read the book. i have the book in my personall library.

If you dont read it any time, retract your self or you lose any credits on your argument. What you try to say about western methods of fighting just proves that you dont have a good martial knowldege.

[bostafffighter]

@Ronin2006x I am not lying. I have also read that book. You expect me not to read the book but I am interested in both WMA and EMA (in their similarities and difference)that I have read books from Silver, Di Grassi, Fiore dei liberi, fetchbutch,Fechtlehre mit dem Kurzen Schwert, filipo vadi and A ARTE DE BEM CAVALGAR TODA A SELA aslo. Never there is a mention of stick(I mean 6 foot stick not pole arm) combat in the said book.I personally know silambam as well.That's why I commented.

[Ronin2006x]

On the book you read. Perhaps the vesion translated from my good friens Luis Preto and his father, do you saw the images? Or you read a translation without the images?

[mestresombra]

não sei porque teimam em dizer que vem da india. Qualquer campones andava com o seu cajado e esta foi uma arte que acabou por evoluir da sua necessidade de defesa já que espadas eram para nobres.

[superkoopa001]

wow a portguese martail art

[Rotebuehl1]

1)

The popularity of this martial art was partly due to the demeanor of the northern folk, who valued personal and family honor enough to kill for it. It was also due in no small part to the relative ease of obtaining a staff as well as the versatility of such a tool: a staff or stick was almost universally present, used as a support for the long daily walks, to help cross the rivers, by the shepherds to protect the cattle from wild animals, and so on.

[Rotebuehl1]

@bostafffighter

2)

There are references to this martial art being used by the guerrilla against the troops of Napoleon that were occupying Lisbon during the Napoleonic Wars. Some believe that it was influenced by an Indian dance or Indian martial art, which would have been imported and adapted in the period of the Discoveries.

[Rotebuehl1]

@bostafffighter

3)

Others say that its origins are medieval techniques of combat much similar to what is taught in the medieval book "A arte de bem cavalgar em toda a sela" by Edward I of Portugal (1391–1438). This seems more likely, since the martial art developed not in the urban areas open to foreign influences, but in the most isolated mountain regions of continental Portugal.

[Rotebuehl1]

@bostafffighter

4)

During the 19th century, Jogo do Pau was brought to Lisboa by a northern master, resulting in an amalgamation with the technique of the Gameirosabre, growing into a sportive competition, removed from actual combat. It was practiced in clubs such as the Ginásio Clube Português and the Ateneu Comercial de Lisboa.

[Rotebuehl1]

@bostafffighter

5)

In the 20th century, the practice of Jogo do Pau suffered a quick decline due to the migrations from rural areas to the cities and the greater ease in access to firearms. The players born between 1910 and 1930 were the last generation to experience the flowering of the sport. The memories of this generation provided a continuity in the 1970s, when the sport was revived.

[Rotebuehl1]

@bostafffighter

6)

The driving force of this revival was Pedro Ferreira, followed by his student Nuno Corvello Russo, who dedicated his life's ambition to Jogo do Pau, frequently visiting the North of Portugal, getting acquainted with surviving variants there, especially with the school of Cabeceiras de Basto. He studied at the Ateneu Comercial de Lisboa, whose master is now Manuel Monteiro.

[Rotebuehl1]

@bostafffighter

7)

Today, the sport is still rather marginal in Portugal, but there is a stable number of practitioners organized in two federations: the Federação Portuguesa de Jogo do Pau and the Federação Nacional do Jogo do Pau Português. This art is also practised in the Açores and Madeira.

[Rotebuehl1]

@Ronin2006x

Roubam-nos tudo! O nosso dinheiro, a nossa história, a nossa singularidade! Agora até o Jogo do Pau nos querem roubar! É obra! E a nossa gente a aturar e a aturar e a aturar e a aturar....