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[drewby7777]

So, exactly how long will it take before the "transplants" start missing all the state services and programs that they left in Cali. and start demanding them from N.H. politicians? This has been the recent history of N.H. with people moving there from Mass, Conn, N.Y. VT, Me, All states with high taxes and many services. Is it no wonder that N.H. has seen its conservative roots go out the window for the promises of the Nanny state politician? Get back to defending the Constitution NH people!

[RidleyReport]

According to Union Leader research most of the Mass. immigrant folks vote republican, even lately after the natives starting going democrat.

Also the border towns near mass. tend to elect pro liberty reps to the state house, another indicator that the Masshole Myth is more the exception than the rule.

[soundmoneyfan]

some people don't like p00lman but he's here to remind us what it is like to be just like everyone else and not think for yourself! right on brother!

[difranco1911]

The Word "Anarchy" has a long history of being characterized and associated with chaos and violence.

Voluntaryism is also a more apt description where society is based on voluntary transactions between individuals through mutual consent.

[slewofdamascus]

Any update? I assume they would have just arrived? Maybe you can do a follow-up?

[fczwartek]

There certainly are objective standards by which you can measure the vitality, health, wellness (ect.) of a society...

Things like:

-how many people are in jail and what crimes are they in jail for

-what percentage of the population lives in poverty

-what percentage of the population is unemployed

-infant mortality, violent crime rates, longevity, prevalent diseases

-access to clean water

-the state of national resources

...

There are many standard by which a society can improve.

[fczwartek]

You can't seriously think that our situation would be improved by becoming Somalia. They have no real state, and that has turned out great for them, right?

Of course they still do have rules and "laws" and religious practices to follow there, and plenty of gung-ho fanatics willing to enforce them to the extreme.

So even a stateless society is not "voluntary." That would be impossible, because "voluntary" societies don't exist.

[TehBANN3D]

> If the [...] complaining about?

The part that isn't, obviously.

> The simple [...] "voluntary."

Irrelevant.

> Every society [...] enforce them.

False. Though law & order do support normative stability.

> Without [...] exist.

A society is a culmination of interpersonal interaction. An anthropic society is predicated on the existence of human interaction, the nature of which is not relevant to its existence. Something one might find dystopian is still a society.

[TehBANN3D]

I have no problem with people deciding it is useful to pay an organization like the United States for protection, welfare, transit, etc. However, when they decide that their idea of an "optimal" society should be everyone else's, there's a big problem, given that there is no standard by which they make their claim.

[TehBANN3D]

"What you are really advocating for is anarchy."

Possibly. However, that word has many contexts which I would not advocate.

"As bad as our system is (and I would agree that many aspects of it are very bad) anarchy would not be an upgrade."

See, that's the problem. You think there is an objective standard by which society is 'upgraded' or 'made better'. This is simply not the case. The better of some set of circumstances can only be determined by the subject...

[lnd3005]

Not partly "ours." Fully "ours," rather.

[lnd3005]

A state existing is better (less violent ... ?) than no state existing (anarchy)? How do you know that? I ask, b/c you write it like you're really sure.

The most prolific killers, rapists, and thieves in history, by far, have been state employees. Just saying.

What is a "society" in the sense you mean? Like, how would I know if I were in the same "society" as you? Can I be in more than one "society" at once?

What do you mean by "our system?" What system? And how is it partly "ours?"

[fczwartek]

If the "majority of society IS voluntary" then what are you complaining about?

The simple fact is that no society anywhere ever has been "voluntary." Every society has rules and laws and people that enforce them. Without that society ceases to exist. What you are really advocating for is anarchy.

As bad as our system is (and I would agree that many aspects of it are very bad) anarchy would not be an upgrade.

[TehBANN3D]

Actually, the majority of society IS voluntary and it's the people who insist that a parasitic class of people is at all necessary or natural who ought to grow up.