Derrick Jensen on violence and civilization (mirror)

http://submedia.tv/endciv/2010/03/29/premise-1/
This short piece explores the third premise of Derrick Jensen's Endgame

The cast:

Tenant Dave Markland
Pig Dave Cunningham

Production assistance from Carlos Melendres

The music is by stig inge oy.

Category:

News & Politics

Tags:

• submedia
• stimulator
• anarchism
• anarcho-primitivism
• primitivism

[FotoKadr]

in an essence I agree that's the case. Even if you don't adjust your skills and become completely self-sufficient: diy cloths, house, growing your own food,etc. Still, someday there would come someone who is stronger and would claim everything you had worked for and this is part of the nature's laws–the strongest survives. And what we are living now is the overlap of two systems that basically fucks us up anyway whether you fuck with the society or nature.

[ylfetu]

@donyunger

Many hunter gatherer societies don't really have hierarchical structures as we understand them. Status is given to those that know the most, but resources tend to be shared out equally with sanctions against hoarding or trying to take more than one's fair share. Pecking orders kick in when these groups experience shortages.

You are right though, that there are too many humans for us all to switch to a hunter gatherer lifestyle.

[donyunger]

@DaveDoggOwns Fact of the matter is that the renters are the ones who ultimately pay the construction costs of the home they rent to live in. In the event they didn't, along with paying a landlord a profit on the landlord's investment, there wouldn't be any landlords. or very few of them. Just business sense.

[donyunger]

@DaveDoggOwns Even when it was possible for humans to live off the wilderness chances, are the lived in bands that had a power structure & pecking order where some members would consolidate their power to coerce others in the band. The human population has long ago outgrown the planet's capability to provide the hunter gather survival model.

[77adventa77]

"Step out of line, the men come and take you away" --

[dumpsterlove1982]

Im kinda feeling like anyone living in a 1st world country, without the know how to exist without the system, is going to be totally screwed... very soon. I really dont feel bad about that. Right on discordian!

[stett99]

dangerous world

[DaveDoggOwns]

@discordian420 Humans have been living without kings, without landlords, with wage work, etc for thousands of years in the wilderness. I don't see any reason why that wouldn't be a possible option for you.

[DaveDoggOwns]

If the state was gone right now not everything would be owned. When all the alternatives are wasted as a result of the total privatization or collectivization of land, then limits on property should be established.

[DaveDoggOwns]

The landlord doesn't necessarily provide services, but he provided the capital, land, etc needed so the home could be bulit.

Renting a house is A LOT cheaper then paying someone to construct a new one. You think your doing good to humanity abolishing rent, but your not.