Occam's Razor

Response to the argument that a deity is required for the beginning of the universe.

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[zenguin13]

occam's doesn't apply here.

[blasphemite]

i am not discussing religion, im discussing theology.

i'm saying that it only complicates teh situation to add an unexplainable god to explain a universe which is otherwise unexplainable

[zenguin13]

isn't algebra information that is tangible?

you can't have it both ways.

what information do you pose philosophically?

the easiest answer is god. and what if you don't believe in god?

then occum's razor takes you to belief or non belief, rendering the theory moot in the case of 'the god' being that the nature of a deity is subjective.

it's science rather than belief

ergo occum's has no relevence here because a religion is diferent from a belief.

[blasphemite]

There is no "easiest answer." There is no answer at all. The answer is not known... making sense?

If there is an unknown, you cannot derive a conclusion from that unknown... to do so is absurd.

[RioUchiha]

what is this algebra?

[blasphemite]

it's about information, not about algebra

[mtheoryrules]

We CAN apply occums razor to postulates.

[mtheoryrules]

lol, Faith seems to have deviated.

Please define faith without invoking religious connotations and then please inform me how an individual comes to have faith as defined without religious connotations.

I am not interested in the religious connotations because I am fully aware of what that term has come to mean.

I am sorry that you were confused as to what I was asking.

There is a different term that is commonly used for belief without evidence.

Its called pretending.

[mtheoryrules]

I do not like beats is not a conclusion because it is not supported by any primises.

If it were then we would have an agrument.

If you state that god exists and created the universe you are asserting a postulate.

If you then attempt support this axiom then you would be forming an argument.

[zenguin13]

"for the common use of the word in theism seems to have taken a deviation from the words orignal definition"

What deviation? Theism "belief in god" A-Theism "not a belief in god.

What eludes you here?

[zenguin13]

If I say that I don't like beets, prove that with Occum's razor.

The difference betwixt belief and faith is that I can believe that faith exists without having faith in something not evidenced. I don't believe in fairy tales and I don't have faith in them either.

[mtheoryrules]

Excelent vid blasphemite, you make your point concisely by employing this analogy.

[mtheoryrules]

Also what I would like is your thoughts on how one would arrive at a state of being the term faith indcates.

As this is how I interpret the word, for the common use of the word in theism seems to have taken a deviation from the words orignal definition.

It is a very important factor when discussing the issue, especially because you bring it up as way to aviod occum's razor.

[mtheoryrules]

Sorry I do not mean to talk in circles, my point is that occums razor applies to any situation provided that the person is seeking the most rational conclusion.

I do not mean to give the impresion that I am not paying attention, I am interested to hear how one can stay occum's razor and still maintain a rational conclusion.

Also I am interested to hear what you find when you look up the definition of faith without invoking the theistic connotations of this term.

[zenguin13]

Ok - you're talking in circles and not paying attention. Occum's was never meant to be used subjectively.

[mtheoryrules]

If it raises more questions than it answers how is it the easiest answer?

What is faith?

Not religious faith I know what that is I mean what does the word actually mean?

You seem to want to slap a god sticker on first cause just because its easy, sorry science does not work like that.

Occum's razor does apply because occum's razor is rational, it can apply to anything provided the person wants to be rational.