Reagan Vs Obama On Healthcare
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"This is the last stand on Earth" - Aha! That's where Newt Gingrich got his "we are the only free country" thing from.
Hey, it sounds good. Maybe Regan never meant it to be heard by Europeans, British, Canadians, New Zealanders, Australians, etc. Reagan invented democracy too - and Justice. True story.
mikegalsworthy 5 days ago
@macpipkin Not to degrade your Constitution in any way (it's a great document) but a piece of paper never protected anybody's liberty. NORTH KOREA has a written Constitution.
Look around you; there are happy, prosperous and free Westminster-system countries all over the world! The Westminster-style, like the American style, just has a tendency to produce liberty.
Parliamentary Sovereignty works just as well as Constitutional Sovereignty when it comes down to it.
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
@BasilFawlty4444 You have as much liberty as your government allows you to have. I'll take a written constitution any day.
"from what I hear, "Obamacare" has been found constitutional"
Why do you pretend to be an expert on what goes on over here? The lower courts are split so far. Our Supreme Court will rule on a provision sometime around June.
"Thirdly, that 8% is more like 16%"
If a person loses coverage for a day, they count for the year. The consistent # is 8%.
macpipkin 3 weeks ago
@macpipkin We may have an uncodified constitution (if you don't count the Magna Carta or the HRA), but clearly we have liberty. And don't start on taxation - I've seen the tax bands; in some cases, lower earners in the UK will pay less!
Secondly, from what I hear, "Obamacare" has been found constitutional...
Thirdly, that 8% is more like 16%.
Fourthly, allow me to clarify; American DIAGNOSES figures are unreliable. I even posted the article there from Cancer Research. It's on Google.
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
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"...having destroyed your argument so far..."
Are you kidding me?!? Who CARES?!?
You speck on a hair on a fly's ass, do you NEED these message boards to fulfill your self worth?!?
I just pray you are NOT this big a bore in real life...
Utterly pathetic... :-/
macpipkin 3 weeks ago
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We are discussing how WE will move forward as a nation based on OUR constitution. What, exactly, is your place here? You like having no liberty? Fine. Fact is we passed a radical and unconstitutional law ripping liberty from everyone when only 8% of our citizens were falling through the cracks. Post all the BS from biased pro-egalitarian groups all you want. It does not pertain to to us because we are a majority people of liberty or death. Liberty is to be preserved before comfort.
macpipkin 3 weeks ago
@BasilFawlty4444 Do you honestly think you are educating me? Locke? Read him. Have you? You forgot Montesquieu, Machiavell, Paine, Hobbes, Harrington & Mill. Read them?
What is the use in "inventing" something you never practice?
"mainly because America does it differently to everyone else."
Yeah, makes your initial comparison quite silly...
"...the US measures rates of diagnosis differently..."
Yeah, we start counting the moment someone is diagnosed. Again, pretty silly to compare.
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macpipkin 3 weeks ago
@macpipkin I could stop here, having destroyed your argument so far, but I've got more.
According to a Your Surgery Abroad survey, 60% of Americans would consider travelling abroad for healthcare. A biased statistic? Perhaps.
But according to Deloitte, about 5% of Americans actually will.
The corresponding figure for the UK is 0.1%, the VAST majority of which were for non-NHS services including dentistry, cosmetic surgery and fertility treatment.
Still think your healthcare is better?
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
@macpipkin What you need to do is take a long hard look at some proper statistics. You should take a look at the Commonwealth Fund 'Mirror Mirror' Report of 2010, which examined seven First World healthcare systems. Overall results:
1. Netherlands
2. United Kingdom
3. Australia
4. Germany
5. New Zealand
6. Canada
7. United States
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
@macpipkin Secondly, survival rates are not an accurate means by which to measure the results of a system, mainly because America does it differently to everyone else.
According to Cancer Research UK, the US measures rates of diagnosis differently, and it is not uncommon for results to not be recorded, and certain cancers to be overdiagnosed ('We need to be careful when comparing US and UK cancer care,' August 17, 2009, Henry Scowcroft).
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BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago