Does 2 Peter 3:9 Make God Schizophrenic?

Many people think that 2Peter 3:9 is a great argument for God wanting everyone who ever existed to be saved, but is it really? If it were true, when considered with the rest of Scripture, it would lead to the heresy of universalism as this video shows.


(Posted with permission from CrossTV
This is part of the series "The Sovereignty of God". You can get this set at www.crosstv.com )

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• peter
• 3:9
• 2peter
• limited
• atonement
• universalism
• crosstv
• calvinism
• arminianism

[saintoccasionally]

@gsschoenfeld Watch the one in which he goes over the proper interpretation of 2Peter 3:9 and it will make more sense.

[741rjohnson]

The Arminians believe in God's Love and desire to save all(1Timothy 2:3-4;2Peter 3:9;John 3:16).The Calvinist believe in the Sovereingty of God in salvation(Isaiah 46:10; Isaiah 55:10-11;Ephesians 1:11). Isn't the combination of their theologies Biblical Universalism?

[gsschoenfeld]

Well buddy you can try to deny it all you want but using 2 Pet 3:9 AND Isa 46:10 together you just did prove Universalism. Perhaps the scriptures weren't intended to be taken quite so literally and cross referenced together in such an arbitrary manner.

[patriotsfan1379]

@horseman528 and if HE hardens  people how can you say we have freewill ? isn't freewill being able to eithr choose this or that? how can HE harden someone if the person does not want to be hardened?

[patriotsfan1379]

@horseman528 not only that but only those who have been regenerated and given the gift of faith are those who truly obey GOD none others the bible makes it clear only those who are led of the SPIRIT are the sons of GOD

[patriotsfan1379]

@horseman528 i guess you don't know the meaning of predestined? and when the bible talks about knowing someone it is intimately knowing like a husband and a wife know each other better than friends would know them thats why to many HE will say depart from me I never knew you "GOD said to Israel only you have I known out of all the nations""question do you obey all on your own ? i only obey cause it is GOD who will in me and puts desires in me out of HIS good pleasure

[horseman528]

@patriotsfan1379 You just proved my point. And who does he elect? Rom. 8:29 He predestinates those whom he foreknew would obey the gospel. Heb. 5:9 "And being mad perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto ALL THEM THAT OBEY HIM." God in His infinite knowledge knows ahead of time who will obey and who will not and it is those who obey He predestinates or calls. He hardens those who he knows ahead of time will not obey. Rom. 1:26 There is freewill but God knows what you will choose

[patriotsfan1379]

@horseman528 GOD has also decreed not only the end but also the means by which men should be saved!!" faith comes by hearing and hearing the word of GOD";""GOD has decided to save men by the foolishness of preaching"" plus the MASTER of the universe commands that we should preach it is not a sugestion!! no freewill

[patriotsfan1379]

@horseman528 no!!! not at all!!! GOD sends prophets to people because in the midst of them there are those whom HE has elected!! JESUS said"" he who has ears to hear let him hear"" HE also sends them so that people won't be able to say i never heard!! and HE also sends them to prclaim judgement like when HE said be ever hearing but not understanding !! JESUS also said HE would speak in parables because the kingdom had been given to some!!we preach cause GOD has commanded to do so faith=works

[horseman528]

@patriotsfan1379 One of the tenets of calvinism is irresistable grace that says that once God calls you that you can't resist coming to God. The point of Matt. 23:37 and Luke 13:34 is that God through Christ desired for these people to be saved but because of their stubborness and rebellion, they refused. In other words, they had a freewill to chose or why would God send prophets to them in the first place? Or why even preach the gospel if God does all the work? We could lay back and just wait.