Rudolf Rocker - The Role of the Trade Unions: Anarcho-Syndicalist View

excerpt from Anarcho-Syndicalism by Rudolf Rocker

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[wspsaves]

@37butterflyprincess Yes, but how do you define coercion? What I mean is, if no one within a group of people at any point decides definitely the course of the whole, we're with true chaos, rather than decentralized organization of social groups, the idea put forth by Chomsky, Rocker, others. It is IMPOSSIBLE to achieve absolute consensus amongst all members of human society on anything. So who would you rather have run things, the few or the many?

[37butterflyprincess]

@wspsaves it's coercive because democracy is tyranny of a majority over a minority *rollseyes*

[wspsaves]

@Benjamin42079 Things are valued if they can provide sustenance, shelter, or community equity. I'm confused by your arguments agapeiron. How is a federation established on a DEMOCRATIC basis by the workers themselves to represent the labor conditions of the workers themselves outside of economic influence coercive? It's voluntary, it's democracy, it's constructive and responds to it's constituents in a rational and effective manner, it IS it's constituents. It's the opposite of coercion.

[Benjamin42079]

@Benjamin42079 does value=need?

[Benjamin42079]

@agapeiron well you did put value in quotes which i respect. Now could you please further define "value"?

[Benjamin42079]

why the robot voices in what would otherwise be awesome videos?

[agapeiron]

@qwertypoiu4321 How would a private property owner, owning a region the size of, say, Belgium, not have a monopoly on the geographical owner claimed under title? Surely no private property owner would have to allow freedom of speech on his or her own property if he or she did not want to.  How is that not coercive?

[agapeiron]

@qwertypoiu4321 Socialists believe in possessions (such as clothes, beds)-- Not private property.

And (as I've explained to you before; though you just ignore it and repeat yourself, like the typical capitalist) being a socialist does not necessitate belief in the labor theory of value. A product contains the labor that contains the value, not simply the worker producing an abstract "value." Prove otherwise.

[qwertypoiu4321]

@agapeiron A State is a coercive monopoly initiated over a geographical area. Coercive 'anarcho-syndicalists' promote a coercive monopoly initiated over a geographical area, a State; therefore an-syns are Statists. They do this based off of a fallacy, the unicorn labor theory of value. And unless you believe you can not even own your clothes or bed, everyone--including an-syns--believes in voluntary property just like voluntarists and 'anarcho-capitalists'.

[agapeiron]

@qwertypoiu4321 Private property was founded on coercion, on force-- And capitalism has always used the state to prop itself up.

How is anarcho-syndicalism statism? You leave the same comment everywhere yet never clarify what you mean.