22 -- Climategate mark 2 -- the quotes and the context

I'll match the sources with times on the video soon. Here are just the sources for now.

All the 2011 and 2009 e-mails can be found at http://foia2011.org/index.php?id=2

Newsbusters headline at:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-she...

Daily Mail story at:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetec...

And the Daily Mail still believing 'hide the descline' refers to global temperatures at:
Daily Mail Hide the decline - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetec...

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[dr131]

regarding: "publically available scientific journals".

Is this really the case? I imagine many of these papers are behind paywalls the size of an institutional subscription. Unfortunately, without open source journals you don't have "open" science in any real way.

[potholer54]

=Is this really the case? I imagine many of these papers are behind paywalls the size of an institutional subscription= No, at most you have to pay around $30 to buy a paper online. You can access journals free in most university libraries. Publicly available means publicly available; it doesn't mean free.

[dookiecheez]

Could you cite 1 of these purported 900 peer reviewed papers as well as the aforementioned petition? About the latter, three things come to mind, 1 it's not data, 2 it's an unspecified kind of scientists (the last time I saw that about a petition it turned out none of the one's that were in the appropriate field actually consented to their names being included), and 3 rejecting the kyoto treaty =/= no consensus on AGW.

[dysfunctionz]

It would only be a strawman if no one was actually making the conspiracy argument. Many are, so it's perfectly legitimate to refute it.

Also, the scientific community didn't reject relativity or quantum mechanics for decades. Relativity was already gaining widespread acceptance by the time the first empirical tests could be carried out a only few years after the introduction of General Relativity.

[ClusterDroid]

You're putting up a strawman. You don't need a "conspiracy" for the scientific community to agree on a wrong theory. Just think back to relativity or quantum mechanics, both of which were strongly rejected by the scientific community for decades.

[Arion Evangelist]

This is just a long list of people talking p*sh...sorry.

[baserocklove]

I"ll put my money on mind altering chem trails sprayed from 747's and HAARP.......HAARP must have their hand in this somewhere. They always do.

[Woltato]

Unless of course I'm part of the conspiracy and have been paid by the CIA to come and post misleading propaganda on youtube.

[baserocklove]

That's just the subconscious mind shackles the european jew bankers that run the world have put upon you without you knowing talking!

[Woltato]

911 truthers. lol. Now there's a serious bunch of nutters.

[GalinorGustave2]

the communism thing is more ideological, nihilism, viewing human activity as a disease or cancer, the idea were overpopulated, & that earths resources are finite, all fits very well into the ideologies of communism, socialism & technocracy.

[GalinorGustave2]

well their are several conspiracy theories. the most known are: 1 claims that global warming hypothesis is created by cryptoeugenists trying to subjugate the have-nots of society as they tend to think of them. 2 another claims that the environmentalist movement has been hijacked by wall street to push the tax, cap & trade scheme. 3 another argues that both are the case & that anthropogenic global warming is being overexaggerated to push malthusian & population control agendas.

[Tomi Golob]

@fffmmm22 oh, I see...interesting :) what you say is true...indeed it was paraphrased