Climategate mark 2 -- the quotes and the context

I'll match the sources with times on the video soon. Here are just the sources for now.

All the 2011 and 2009 e-mails can be found at http://foia2011.org/index.php?id=2

Newsbusters headline at:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/11/22/climategate-20-5000-new...

Daily Mail story at:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2066240/Second-leak-climate-em...

And the Daily Mail still believing 'hide the descline' refers to global temperatures at:
Daily Mail Hide the decline - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2055191/Scientists-said-climat...

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[robhoneycutt]

@CHIPSTERO7 "But they are not really communicating the "uncertainty". Perhaps Thorne is. But the IPCC certainly are not"

I did a little experiment once related to this. I went through the entire WG1 section of AR4 and counted the occurrences of the words uncertain, uncertainty and uncertainties. The count came to about 10 times per page. Don't believe me? Go try it.

[dookiecheez]

@tomthefunky

Could you cite 1 of these purported 900 peer reviewed papers as well as the aforementioned petition? About the latter, three things come to mind, 1 it's not data, 2 it's an unspecified kind of scientists (the last time I saw that about a petition it turned out none of the one's that were in the appropriate field actually consented to their names being included), and 3 rejecting the kyoto treaty =/= no consensus on AGW.

[Zoobeezoo]

0:00 - 0:10 .... Wow, just that small clip gave me a headache...

Yes, the word exists because people do conspire to do things, but I'm inclined to think that the crazy lady is emphasizing the word in an attempt to prove that all of the crazy conspiracies are real...

[RexisAZero]

god, i'm so hot right now.

[thesparitan]

@sidvidkid I would love to anssiusuw but I am super hugg hugh i mean hiugh on shrooms man. I took a bunch and I am tripping balls..

I get back to you.

[sidvidkid]

@thesparitan

Forget about your beliefs, just for a moment, and answer the questions i posted below, privately to yourself. If you answer these questions honestly then the truth is obvious.

Then, the only question is if you value reason and evidence more then beliefs.

The only thing a carbon tax will achieve is a wealth transfer from everyone to the ultra rich.

[thesparitan]

@sidvidkid What evidence would you need before you accept human caused global warming is happening?

[sidvidkid]

Forget about beliefs for a minute and ask, how can paying bankers and the financial system a % of national GDP help with the climate?

And then ask, would it be more efficient to use all those billions to instead plant trees everywhere to absorb the 'nasty' co2?

Then ask, if a guy in a pub asked you to pay him money to 'fix' the climate, would you hand over money?

Case closed.

Its a scam.

[ChristopherMonckton5]

From: Phil Jones

To: “Michael E. Mann”

Subject: HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL

Date: Thu Jul 8 16:30:16 2004

“I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is !

Cheers

Phil”

[TehScat]

@phalsebob I PM'd you? Nope... I googled "Oregon petition", first good link, found the section regarding the "false scientists" and copy-pasted the important lines. I PM'd you nothing. You must have confused me for someone else. The quote in my comment isn't even from the emails - its from the administrators of the petition.

[phalsebob]

@TehScat Tehscat PM'd me a link to a site a copy of the emails. Read them Scat... all of them if you have three weeks to waste. This site has a link to Alex Jones 'site. Hahahaha!

He was also kind enough to send me links to right wing rags. Newsbusters! Thanks! Now I can re-read all the quote mining and conspiracy paranoia I I thought was dumb two years ago.

Always a pleasure to see the best the other side has to offer.